Nope, however it is my understanding the limited the bases to 9 becasue they used their own aircraft to ferry their pilots around. Anyone outside those 9 bases were told to rent a car (on the company) and drive to one of those bases. If you could not get to one of those bases, they paid you for 10 (or 12) days a month to sit home. Sounds pretty fair, obviously not as good as running business as normal, but SIGNIFICANTLEY better than others.

To make the pay schedules equal you would need to add 1 bonus day to the Flex figures per month which would add $9,200 to the flex figure. Granted I am not a Union guy but if your pay is 20% below Flexjet, what has the Union done for you? To each their own, I am not saying FLEX is the best for everyone, if you feel Unions are a benefit, than go to NJ. Retirement is ONLY better becasue they are REQUIRED to put the a portion of the FDP directly into the retirement. Pay at the end of your career is better at NJ however how much money are you goingt to lose by not upgrading in 8 months and waiting 7 years. In my mind its Delta, United argument, Coors Lite or Bud Lite, Honda or Toyota, to each their own but to say catagorically NJ is a better place to work is just false.

 

If you asked the guys that were renting cars and driving to those bases I think you would hear that they got real tired of that real quick. Driving home from those places late at night after long duty days didn’t sit well with the flex guys I talked to. Sure the company would get them a hotel but then they were driving home on their day off. Also ask the guys what they had to give up to pay for project lift? Bonuses maybe. I have yet to talk to anyone who got paid to sit at home for 10-12 days through Covid, maybe at the beginning.

If you really believe that Netjets pay is 20% below flexjet why would people leave flexjet to come to Netjets but not the reverse? Like you said upgrade is so much quicker at flex. Upgrade is down below 5 years at NJ now and should drop to 2 1/2 - 3 years in the next couple months. Have you asked yourself why the upgrade time is so low at flex? Is it because you are growing so fast or because of attrition? My guess is people come there to get the TPIC and go somewhere else. Completely valid reason.
The “REQUIRED” retirement contribution you talk about is a union bargained benefit. Something I hear flex pilots have been trying to get. How is that going?

As far as the $100k first year pay at flex I think you will be hard pressed to find a first year guy at Netjets that made less than $100k. The problem is we have so many ways to make soft money that are not guaranteed. The difference between fleets fdp is something we are hoping to rectify.

Not sure I ever said Netjets is categorically better. Just trying to make sure accurate info is put out.

 

Which one is Toyota because that’s the one I would pick.

 

One is a Toyota with a Mercedes emblem...

 

You just can’t help yourself but to chime in can you?

I guess the “willing to stand with you guys 100%” doesn’t include not taking little cheap shots too?

 

Who said I was talking about NJA?

 

Who were you talking about then? Make it clear! You have to come in and make comments on a Netjets vs flexjet thread. Not even 121 vs frac. Stirring the pot just because it is a “free internet” isn’t very becoming of a union brother.

 

You mean like making comments about Flexjet when you have never worked there? That kind of stirring the pot?

You have never worked at Flex, how are you even remotely qualified to speak on it? Answer is, you're not, but that didn't stop you from making comments.

Does NetJets pay you to defend them on APC?

 

Read what I said. The flexjet guys I talked to. The 10+ flex guys in a lounge at one time who told me they hated project lift. I guess that should not be added to make it truthful? So if I can’t make comments in this thread about Netjets vs flex because I never worked at flex all your comments will need to be about Netjets from here on out?

Does Netjets pay me to defend them? Really? I’m gonna go ahead and say they wouldn’t have been opening that wallet for anyone that was walking the line in PBI this last week. Way to deflect. Once again thanks for defending your fellow union brother.

 

You attacked me for thinking my comment was about NJA dude.

You are hair triggered to fight and you have no idea who or what you are fighting, you just want to defend NJA at all costs....