Ask yourself then if flex pays more, has quicker upgrades why do people still leave to come to Netjets. Is it because how well they are treating you now after being there for a couple months might change? Hopefully our union that you love so much will get us better pay and benefits so you guys can get more too.

 

Ok, so you make $86k, Flex pays over $100k......You pay union dues, we pay health insurance. You still come out better at Flex

 

Im not an idiot, if NJ pays more than Flex will have to pay more. You dont think NJ is using Flex's non-union pay as a negotiating tool?

 

A. I dont know anyone who has left FLEX to go to NJ
B. I dont know anyone who has left NJ to go to FLEX.

IF NJ pays more than FLEX, stop being dishonest and saying you are the lowest paid in the industry. Make up your mind, there can only be 1 lowest. Its a Union PR move, that is all.......

 

A. You haven’t been there long enough to know anyone. What 2-3 months tops?

B. You won’t find anyone who has left NJ to flex. Not anyone that has left here because they wanted to at least.

If you took the time to read my original reply to you I only corrected that you said first year pay was $75k. I said what training pay was ($86k) and that you could switch schedules after IOE if you wanted which would pay different. Would be less if you went to 7/7. I said with soft pay most people made over $100k. Never said everyone made more than that or that NJ base was higher.

If you can’t understand the reasoning behind the union message I can’t help you. Just enjoy the rising tide by yourself since that is what you are all about. Your words.

 

Are you ACTUALLY saying that Flex's base pay is NOT a factor in your Union negotiations? Let me tell you how this ends up......the Union will negotiate a contract that has your base pay MAYBE $5k more than Flex because, despite what the Union PR is, that is what they are using to negotiate. They are NOT using Delta, American and United in their negotiations behind closed doors. You will be thrilled becasue the jr. guys got a raise from $86k to say $106K. It doesnt take a Union to negotiate that because here is what will happen, FLEX will raise to $110k to be MORE than NJ without any kind of crazy billboards and pilots in their blazers walking around Palm Beach acting like they are on strike. If you cant figure that out, then I cant help you!

 

Why doesn't Flex just raise rates on its own now? Why wait?

 

I’m not sure where your anti-union sentiment comes from, but I’m glad you found a home at Flexjet.

For those looking to decide between the two companies, I’m sure you can find all the data you need on pay and work rules. Compare and contrast that data to determine if one works better for you than the other. But the core difference between the two is the presence of a union. So what you need to ask yourself, is do you want to work at a union shop? Both have their pros and cons.

I hope Flexjet and Netjets continue to push each other. Rising tides and all that. That works great when times are good as they are now. I came to make a career at Netjets from a non-union shop because I experienced first hand what can happen when a company is able to degrade your compensation and benefits package whenever it suits them. The contract, thanks to the union, at Netjets provides a substantial level of stability. Not withstanding the few events that can allow a company out of contract or the ratification of a new contract, I can tell you exactly what my compensation package will be in, say, three years. Can you do that at Flexjet?

I will gladly walk wherever my union asks me to achieve the contractually protected gains that this pilot group deserves.

 

I believe you are under a contract CURRENTLY, correct? I believe it was just voted in in 2021 and goes thru 2026?? Why did you "ratify" a 5 year contract 2 years ago and then try to renage on that contract? So you want to hold NJ to their end of the bargin that the union negotiated for (for stability) BUT the union wants NJ to renegotiate.....In good faith negotiations, once they are agreed to, shouldnt BOTH sides get the same "stability"? I think so....maybe your Union should have seen the pay that was on the horizon....but they didnt. IF the enconomy sucked and NJ wanted to pay less, would the Union be back at the table? Nope! Hypocrites!

 

Becasue they dont need to.......If they see that they need to, they can without calling up the Union and renegotiating.