It isn't misleading if Flex is paid more. I have now seen multiple sources that seem to prove that Flex is better paid at least in the first many years since only a fraction of NJA pilots will beat them the first couple of years and the Flex pilots will upgrade quicker (I haven't seen any proof of higher seniority pay either way). That is honestly a good thing. I'm truly happy they got more money. We all deserve way more money. I just hope we don't mess it up and accept a weak new contract that doesn't raise the bar again. I can't believe I'm typing this, but my golden handcuffs will probably feel more like lead and finally come free if the next contract doesnt rise a similar percent as the airlines. Even a similar percent raise still keeps us behind, just not getting lapped.

 

It IS misleading when in public you say "lowest paid in the industry" and then you have people who admit to having the trailer say "it wasnt meant for flex, rather Delta, United....." and then others say how much more NJ pilots are making over Flex. Can we just agree on this:
1. Starting base pay is higher at Flex than NJ?
2. NJ is in the SAME industry as Flex?
3. If 1 and 2 are correct, then MAYBE NJ is paid less (however you are then saying every other 135 operator is not in the same "industry" as NJ and thats not fair) then put your trailers away.
4. If NJ IS paid more than FLex, than the pickets and trailers are at BEST misleading since the best comparision in the "industry" is FLEX (last I checked, DElta, UA, AA are NOT 91k).

I know you all are NJ pilots and want the best of both worlds to come on here and bash flex saying you make way more money than FLex but are in a different industry than flex (?) and then go to public and say you are the lowest paid in the "industry"....just be consistant and say its a Union tactic to give you a better contract. If you were paid more than AA, UA and not delta, you would currently be making the arguement you are lowest paid "in the industry" of Delta vs. NJ. One reason why I dont like Unions. I dont need a "group" to negotiate a contract. If I dont like the contract, I am free to find other employment. THAT is my negotiating power.

I am willing to offer this. Give me a NEW NJ pilot (anyone as a initial hire in a light/mid jet since the begining of the year), lets compare W2s at the end of the year. If you are willing to accept this challenge, let me know. We will average the pay from date of hire through Dec 31. I will put up $1,000 to your charity (and you mine) if the GROSS income on your W2 at NJ is higher than mine at FLEX. Anyone???? If not, then PLEASE protest saying you are the lowest paid 91k operator and negotiate a fantastic new contract, all boats rise with the tide. I anticipate crhickets........

 

Really? Is that what you got out of my post? I didn't bash Flex at all. I said I was happy they are paid better and that we all deserve more. I would bet my left nut that there are some first year pilots at NetJets that make a lot more than any first year pilot at Flex, but at the same time time I would bet my right nut that under the current conditions, the average Flex newhire will do better for at least the first many years. The overall average is a much more important number though and that currently leans towards Flex. I'm not about to complain about the wording my union uses to improve our conditions and you are a total fool if you are going to complain about them also since Flex will be forced to make your life better if we win and you will not see better if we don't raise the bar. I am rooting for us to get a huge raise and for you to get another that beats us and gets us right back into another fight to raise the bar again.

 

Classic, you’d like our Union to negotiate a new contract… because all boats rise…. Yet, in the same post, you tell us you don’t need a union and can negotiate your own worth….. wow….

 

Methinks JTF is going to lose a nut…one way or the other.

 

While your question was posted in the "NetJets vs FlexJet" thread my response has nothing to do with the argument of which company is better to work for. It is a fact that 91K/135 companies and their entire compensation packages, QOL, work rules, retirement...... falls far behind the LCCs, legacies and large freight companies. For NetJets to grow, as NetJets management says they want to grow, (I will be happy to be the first one to smile and say I was wrong if they in fact hit their numbers) the entire contract must attract the next generation of aviators. We are competing with the bonuses the regionals offer, the flow the regionals offer, and the mature contracts of the LCCs, legacies and large freight companies.

If the 91K/135 world is where you want to spend your career then great, aviation has something for everyone. Everyone that wants to spend their career flying business jets should be supporting the NetJets pilots in their contract negotiations. Every segment of the "professional pilot industry" will benefit.

 

Training pay for year 1 FOs, yes even while waiting on IOE, is $86,373. You are welcome to your opinions, but your alternate facts need correction.

Health insurance premiums are $0.

 

Since when are you on training pay for the entire year?

 

My post is in reference to the quote "That will be your pay after indoc but until you are to IOE which is NOT a fast time frame".

Please read the entire post to gain context. You are inferring I wrote something that I did not.

 

I guess I will just quote your quote again...

Does making it bold help you read what you typed? You quoted a year's worth of training pay...