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Old 09-26-2017 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by James2016
GeeWizDriver have you got heartburn over other pilots being informed as to what is going on with the hiring process ?

I think it is only fitting that the line guys and new pilots looking at putting a application and going through two days of interviewing not including to and from Columbus consider and look at the facts.
Eglplt nailed it.

I'm trying to PROVIDE information to potential new-hires:

RUN. The other direction.

Once upon a time, NetJets was a decent place to work. For any pilot under the age of 45 or even 50 trying to grow their career and with no show-stoppers in their background, there are literally a dozen better career opportunities out there.

Besides, we have already established that the company is telling BALD FACED LIES to applicants regarding upgrade times. Why do you want "information" like that?

I was speaking with tongue in cheek regarding the unsubscribe comment (unsubscribe from NETJETS). What I really meant was DON'T COME TO WORK FOR NETJETS when you can do so much better.
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Old 09-26-2017 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
Congrats on putting your family first.

There is a lot of industrial weight put on the salary we make in our year before retirement and what fleet we end up in.

A lot of pilots ignore the turd sandwich we eat in the years up to retirement and the effect it has on our QOL, health and family.

It is my opinion if more pilots elevated the importance of their time out of the cockpit we would all be better off.
Excellent post. Exactly my sentiment right now. F.O. pay may be low in comparison to other flying jobs, but still about the same as a bank manager, Police sergeant etc.

Go ahead and bash away. Financial gain isn't always everyone's primary objective.
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Old 09-26-2017 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Auto
Go ahead and bash away. Financial gain isn't always everyone's primary objective.
The people that say money isn't the primary objective aren't wrong, but they are also the ones working at NetJets until they literally die...
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Old 09-26-2017 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Auto
Excellent post. Exactly my sentiment right now. F.O. pay may be low in comparison to other flying jobs, but still about the same as a bank manager, Police sergeant etc.

Go ahead and bash away. Financial gain isn't always everyone's primary objective.
I don't know much about the NJA QOL, or the salaries and what nots... But I do know that between the regionals and possibly NJA, there are a lot of police officers forgoing their pensions and coming to work as pilots. Funny thing is, they're finding comparable, if not better compensation and benefits, and the quality of life is far better than they had it as LEOs, even if it does mean not being home every night.
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Old 09-26-2017 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardcharger
I don't know much about the NJA QOL, or the salaries and what nots... But I do know that between the regionals and possibly NJA, there are a lot of police officers forgoing their pensions and coming to work as pilots. Funny thing is, they're finding comparable, if not better compensation and benefits, and the quality of life is far better than they had it as LEOs, even if it does mean not being home every night.
Ask them in 10 years if that was a wise choice. Single people I bet. Wait until they have a family and they cant coach their kids soccer team or their daughters are crying because Daddy is leaving for 7 days...again.

I really clicked on here to say "Doesnt matter, NJA isnt hiring or running classes"
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Old 09-27-2017 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sherpster
Ask them in 10 years if that was a wise choice. Single people I bet. Wait until they have a family and they cant coach their kids soccer team or their daughters are crying because Daddy is leaving for 7 days...again.

I really clicked on here to say "Doesnt matter, NJA isnt hiring or running classes"
I often wonder. If I had the choice at a job where I'm home every night, or a job at a legacy airline I'd pick where I'm at home. No contest. As my family has grown I've found much more satisfaction in their development and happiness, even the best airline job couldn't compare.

Getting back to NetJets. Why do many pilots stay on indefinitely, well past an appropriate retirement age? Well, there a lot of senior pilots on the 72 and 76 day schedules. Many haven't seemed to save an adequate amount for retirement and have lived well beyond their means. Some others have family dysfunction or a poor quality of life at home. I'm of the opinion if airlines didn't have a mandatory medical out age the same problem would exist there, many pilots seem to be of that personality type.
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Old 09-27-2017 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
Getting back to NetJets. Why do many pilots stay on indefinitely, well past an appropriate retirement age? Well, there a lot of senior pilots on the 72 and 76 day schedules. Many haven't seemed to save an adequate amount for retirement and have lived well beyond their means. Some others have family dysfunction or a poor quality of life at home. I'm of the opinion if airlines didn't have a mandatory medical out age the same problem would exist there, many pilots seem to be of that personality type.
can we all agree that NetJets disastrous compensation package (for those being hired now) puts you at an extreme disadvantage for saving for retirement? Both the base compensation as well as the lack of DC into 401k put you hundreds of thousands of dollars behind even LCCs.

Taking a job at NetJets in 2017 (rhetorical since they aren't hiring) pushes you into a situation where you are much more likely to have to keep working into your old age.
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Old 09-27-2017 | 05:09 PM
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Bobo said plans to hire for the indefinite future. I believe he said 12 a month. We'll see if they stick with that number. Their track record isn't stellar. I won't defend the jacked up hiring process so lets move past that.

One does have to ask, why is attrition low resulting in extremely long upgrades? Because the job is sooo horrible????

Bash away.
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Old 09-27-2017 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NJA04
Bobo said plans to hire for the indefinite future. I believe he said 12 a month. We'll see if they stick with that number. Their track record isn't stellar. I won't defend the jacked up hiring process so lets move past that.

One does have to ask, why is attrition low resulting in extremely long upgrades? Because the job is sooo horrible????

Bash away.
One also should ask, "how many "career destinations" have 13 yr PIC's leaving for other places?"

I know three that resigned this week.
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Old 09-27-2017 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NJA04
Bobo said plans to hire for the indefinite future. I believe he said 12 a month. We'll see if they stick with that number. Their track record isn't stellar. I won't defend the jacked up hiring process so lets move past that.

One does have to ask, why is attrition low resulting in extremely long upgrades? Because the job is sooo horrible????

Bash away.
A better question is, how many people are miserable, and the answer to that is the vast majority. Having 13-15 year captains leave to go to SWA and UPS should be all the answers you need. How many 13 year UPS captains are leaving for other airline jobs?
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