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Old 08-08-2018 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Luewk

Would I be mistaken assuming that it would be possible to go from AMF straight to UPS after a few years?
Yes you would.

I'm pretty sure that has not happened in the past 10 years, not once. UPS has plenty of qualified jet guys applying. No need to take the turboprop cowboys.

According to the UPS forums here, the competitive mins for UPS for a civilian guy are around 6-7000hrs total with plenty of jet 121, preferably heavy, time.
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Old 08-08-2018 | 06:03 PM
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Can anyone please tell me why AMF requires the same amount of PIC time (500 hours) for EMB120 FOs and Accelerated Captain Program FOs, when the Total Time Requirements are 500 hours and 800 hours respectively?
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Old 08-08-2018 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Luewk
It does still beat a lot of regional pay though.
skywest is way behind that, horizon is behind that, compass is behind that, etc.
There are people that make 50k at both Horizon and Skywest their first year. It’s easily doable. I don’t think it beats regional pay overall. Plus regional pay is too dynamic. The typical 5 day AMF schedule gives maybe 10 days off a month. If you worked a regional job and only had 10 days a month off you could make some pretty good money.

Honestly the AMF payscale is still very much behind. You are talking about being a captain on a turbo prop. You can go make double that flying a King Air. Not trying to crap on AMF but man, it’s baltenly obvious where the issues are and what needs to be fixed. I figured guys in turboprop stuff were starting at 75k.
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Old 08-08-2018 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
There are people that make 50k at both Horizon and Skywest their first year. It’s easily doable. I don’t think it beats regional pay overall. Plus regional pay is too dynamic. The typical 5 day AMF schedule gives maybe 10 days off a month. If you worked a regional job and only had 10 days a month off you could make some pretty good money.

Honestly the AMF payscale is still very much behind. You are talking about being a captain on a turbo prop. You can go make double that flying a King Air. Not trying to crap on AMF but man, it’s baltenly obvious where the issues are and what needs to be fixed. I figured guys in turboprop stuff were starting at 75k.
Well thanks for the input man I appreciate it. Thanks to anyone else who contributes info here also. Just trying to figure out what to do after instructing/if I need to do CFI all the way to ATP minimums.
It seems like Cfi/135 - regionals - major is still the best/most practical way to do things.
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Old 08-08-2018 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Luewk
Well thanks for the input man I appreciate it. Thanks to anyone else who contributes info here also. Just trying to figure out what to do after instructing/if I need to do CFI all the way to ATP minimums.
It seems like Cfi/135 - regionals - major is still the best/most practical way to do things.
I'd definitely recommend a 135 gig between CFI and regionals. Find a good one and you'll have the most fun you're ever going to have in your flying career.
Don't even dream about going to Majors from AMF. It just does not work that way.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
There are people that make 50k at both Horizon and Skywest their first year. It’s easily doable. I don’t think it beats regional pay overall. Plus regional pay is too dynamic. The typical 5 day AMF schedule gives maybe 10 days off a month. If you worked a regional job and only had 10 days a month off you could make some pretty good money.

Honestly the AMF payscale is still very much behind. You are talking about being a captain on a turbo prop. You can go make double that flying a King Air. Not trying to crap on AMF but man, it’s baltenly obvious where the issues are and what needs to be fixed. I figured guys in turboprop stuff were starting at 75k.
Most do...
The payscale and bonus system is currently getting simplified a bit...some bonuses are getting rolled into the regular pay to make it simpler to understand...and more tax advantageous. Unfortunately the bonuses structure makes calculations of actual yearly pay harder, but it's getting better.
The only people that start at 50k are the lowest multi time hires...often ACP upgrade for the first few months...
A BE-19/SA-227 new hire starts at 67k (may also get a 10k when the check ride is passed and 10k at 18 months)....then another 20 k if you stay to about 36 months in the form of the peak to peak bonus (might be 6-8+ more depending on the season you start).
So many first year and pilots beat the 75k by a fair bit, especially if you stay 3 years.

And like at many places, OT is available, as are TDY assignments that both may extra... likewise a HBC that does an extra weeks work for OT is a decent $$ ...do it a couple times a year when you are scheduled for two weeks off, and it adds up.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ZippyNH
Most do...

And like at many places, OT is available, as are TDY assignments that both may extra... likewise a HBC that does an extra weeks work for OT is a decent $$ ...do it a couple times a year when you are scheduled for two weeks off, and it adds up.
awesome! so if I work over both of my vacations, I can make some good coin.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
I'd definitely recommend a 135 gig between CFI and regionals. Find a good one and you'll have the most fun you're ever going to have in your flying career.
Don't even dream about going to Majors from AMF. It just does not work that way.
For someone like me it seems like the wrong move unfortunately. I'm young and don't have too many commitments holding me in one particular place + I'd like to get to a major ASAP and going CFI-135-regional-major seems like it would take awhile longer than just CFI-regional-major.
If you have any more insight or know a 135 op which allows me to "skip" regionals please let me know!
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Old 08-09-2018 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Luewk
For someone like me it seems like the wrong move unfortunately. I'm young and don't have too many commitments holding me in one particular place + I'd like to get to a major ASAP and going CFI-135-regional-major seems like it would take awhile longer than just CFI-regional-major.
If you have any more insight or know a 135 op which allows me to "skip" regionals please let me know!
Honestly that is a poor attitude to have. What you are essentially saying is you want to “skip” becoming a better pilot. No doctor wants to shortcut their experience and go right into performing surgery, so why should a pilot. It’s a once in a lifetime experience that opens many doors. I promise you that. You can move up the ranks at AMF rather quickly, faster than at any regional, and those application “checkmarks” are valued highly at the majors.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
Honestly that is a poor attitude to have. What you are essentially saying is you want to “skip” becoming a better pilot. No doctor wants to shortcut their experience and go right into performing surgery, so why should a pilot. It’s a once in a lifetime experience that opens many doors. I promise you that. You can move up the ranks at AMF rather quickly, faster than at any regional, and those application “checkmarks” are valued highly at the majors.
+1
Becoming an IOE captain, an company instructor, or check airman are all great experience to have. Leadership is always good to show in any application so you stand out.
Hiring will not always be as easy as it is at the moment.
Always look at any job, and say, if something crazy happened, will I be able to to be happy here for a few extra years?
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