Originally Posted by PSA help

Not sure what you are talking about. There is a benefit to the flow. It is not "useless" as others have said. It actually has great value to everyone on property.

I would recommend PDT because they are stable, growing, and a good operation with a bright future.

Sorry, but I can not say the same about Endeavor.

Originally Posted by BeechPilot33

A 2017 Piedmont new hire will upgrade to Captain faster than a 2017 Endeavor pilot which has over 500 2015 new hires they have to go through before their number comes up.

Upgrade faster and no reserve on either side means more money. That is not including 300% overtime pay which will be ongoing as we get our jet deliveries.

Originally Posted by BeechPilot33

A 2017 Piedmont new hire will upgrade to Captain faster than a 2017 Endeavor pilot which has over 500 2015 new hires they have to go through before their number comes up.

Upgrade faster and no reserve on either side means more money. That is not including 300% overtime pay which will be ongoing as we get our jet deliveries.

Originally Posted by msprj2

How many new/additional A/C for piedmont in 2017?
How many flow to AA in 2017?

Endeavor 14+ new A/C in 2017.
120-180 pilots to Delta I think in 2017.

Originally Posted by Jet Jockey 00

Average civilian time is still 5500-7000 hours which is 6-7 years at a regional. Flow is 4-6 depending on when you are hired at Piedmont that is a guaranteed job just go to class. No going to job fairs getting resume ready paying consultants, updating your logbook.

Btw our junior upgrade is 6 months on property. We can get PIC at 1000 hours of 121 time. We can get hired at other majors just like everyone else. We are not locked into flowing. PSA had more pilots leave for Delta last month than flow to American.

What is the upgrade time at Endeavor now is it still 1,000 hours? I agree getting PIC time is better than hoping for a flow. It worked for 700 pilots but it's no guarantee that it will work for everyone. Smart guys are applying at all majors not just waiting for the flow. The flow is a last resort. You can even get hired at American before the flow by standing in line like everyone else and applying.

Originally Posted by GoNova

We should be receiving at least 2 planes a month, 3 certain months apparently, putting that at 24-30 planes granted some dashes are being retired # unknown.

Key point in this debate of growth is the sheer percentage of growth, piedmont will be over 700 pilots by the end of 2017 and started with less than 400 at the beginning of 2016. The flow number increases with the number of pilots on property and I believe the goal is significantly more than 700. Everyone on property moves up a large percentage of seniority based on our small size and relatively large classes. Not to mention the large number (approximately 100 pilots) not flowing. With these numbers it will be 4 a month for about the first 3 months than 5 the rest of the year possibly 6 the last couple months that is at least 67 flowing, not bad for pilot X who was 370 at the beginning of 2016 with only 270 ahead of them, counting 0 attrition above them that's putting that pilot at a 4 year flow if it makes it to 6 a month which it will easily be at this rate in 2018 that puts them at 2.1 years to flow from the beginning of 2018 after being hired the beginning of 2016 with ZERO, one more time ZERO attrition outside the flow. Also continuous realistic growth at the pace PDT is hiring it could be 7 a month reducing flow time more, while keeping that 4 year mark for people hired throughout 2016 and 2017 realistic. These are based off of numbers PDT is realistically achieving through current hiring, and absolutely no attrition. We are in a unique situation with a large group not flowing.

P.S. for PDT to get to 7 a month reducing 2016 flow numbers below 4 a year they just need to hire at the current pace 25 a month (which they are trying to increase) for 11.8 more months with 556 on property currently. Obviously they lose pilots during growth through flow/attrition so if they can hire at that pace for about 15 months a lot of people can seriously be eyeing up a 4 year flow. PDT also doesn't need to hire 50-60 a month just to keep up with attrition and sustained growth like much larger regionals. By the way anyone who says this is a perfect world where nothing bad happens to the airline industry (such as recession) remember if it does it will probably affect all regionals making all there perks (quick upgrade, DGI) be longer/worse not just PDTs.

Originally Posted by GoNova

We should be receiving at least 2 planes a month, 3 certain months apparently, putting that at 24-30 planes granted some dashes are being retired # unknown.

Key point in this debate of growth is the sheer percentage of growth, piedmont will be over 700 pilots by the end of 2017 and started with less than 400 at the beginning of 2016. The flow number increases with the number of pilots on property and I believe the goal is significantly more than 700. Everyone on property moves up a large percentage of seniority based on our small size and relatively large classes. Not to mention the large number (approximately 100 pilots) not flowing. With these numbers it will be 4 a month for about the first 3 months than 5 the rest of the year possibly 6 the last couple months that is at least 67 flowing, not bad for pilot X who was 370 at the beginning of 2016 with only 270 ahead of them, counting 0 attrition above them that's putting that pilot at a 4 year flow if it makes it to 6 a month which it will easily be at this rate in 2018 that puts them at 2.1 years to flow from the beginning of 2018 after being hired the beginning of 2016 with ZERO, one more time ZERO attrition outside the flow. Also continuous realistic growth at the pace PDT is hiring it could be 7 a month reducing flow time more, while keeping that 4 year mark for people hired throughout 2016 and 2017 realistic. These are based off of numbers PDT is realistically achieving through current hiring, and absolutely no attrition. We are in a unique situation with a large group not flowing.

P.S. for PDT to get to 7 a month reducing 2016 flow numbers below 4 a year they just need to hire at the current pace 25 a month (which they are trying to increase) for 11.8 more months with 556 on property currently. Obviously they lose pilots during growth through flow/attrition so if they can hire at that pace for about 15 months a lot of people can seriously be eyeing up a 4 year flow. PDT also doesn't need to hire 50-60 a month just to keep up with attrition and sustained growth like much larger regionals. By the way anyone who says this is a perfect world where nothing bad happens to the airline industry (such as recession) remember if it does it will probably affect all regionals making all there perks (quick upgrade, DGI) be longer/worse not just PDTs.