That would be glorious.

 

and if they don't turn the flow back on/increase the flow only a dumba$s would come to this place as new hire, don't forget we were one of few that furloughed. i know you cfi's out there been drooling over a regional jet for all of covid but for christ sakes fu¢king buck up and take a chill pill, there's better options out there have a little patience

 

And just wait till when we lose the effectiveness of SAP that we have today, switch to PBS and require a lesser amount of pilots to staff the same amount of aircraft/flying. Seat movement will stagnate and QoL will plummet. Less days off and less flexibility. The flying we get from Daddy Doug has no sign of changing. The trips will continue to be mostly poor. There will be ZERO reason to come here unless you live in base with no other options. Kind of a Mesa scenario at that point.

 

I know everyone thinks PBS is right around the corner, but I think we’re probably further away from it now than we were in 2020. And the longer the company waits to try and strike a deal the more leverage they lose in the current market. So meh. I wouldn’t get too worried about it.

2023 is when our contract is up and I foresee a multi-year section 6 negotiation ala Air Wisconsin. They’ll only improve things if they are forced to via attrition and inability to find new hires.

And the longer they wait the less of a carrot the flow is. Hiring is about to go completely nuts industry-wide and unless they make it attractive to stay, many will just leave as soon as they can.

 

That's my feeling as well. We'll see if they change their tune and don't react to the issue 3 months after it starts to become one.

 

I imagine they're already set to start throwing bonuses at the problem if they can't fill classes adequately, as is tradition.

 

For those of us doing window shopping, what is SAP versus PBS? Is it contract related or crew scheduling? I have apps in with a few regionals and two are starting to pick back up in a big way. PSA put mine on hold until I get closer, so trying to get a feel for the nuances between each is important as the pay scales are pretty close among the ones I'm looking at.

Thanks!

 

SAP is the schedule adjustment period, where you can move around whatever you've got on your schedule. But you can only partake in SAP if you've got a round 1 line. So the time to hold that right now is prob going to be awhile for a new hire. Someone else can comment on PBS because I honestly only know the basics of it.

 

The general concept is
1) line bidding. The company publishes 100 schedules and 100 pilots bid. #1 gets anything he wants and #100 gets what is left
2) performance(?) based scheduling. 100 people tell a computer what they want and it builds schedules that meet your preferences as much as it can

Companies like #2 because training and vacation mess up #1 and require more reserves to backfill the holes

either system can be heaven or hell… it’s all in the details.

PSA currently has a hybrid heaven-hell system where half the pilot group (through SAP) can pretty much set their schedule every month. Never want to work Christmas? you don’t have to. Meanwhile the bottom half of the seniority list is on reserve so that the company can cover the entire Christmas schedule with 4 lineholders working.

in this context “PBS” means a new scheduling system. There will be winners and losers. Who? How much? Those are the sticky questions that have held it up for years. So who knows what will happen.

 

Thank you both for the great info! Helps develop my list of questions to ask during the interview process.