Maybe we just need an industry wide pay standard for a particular airframe. And have ALPA not sign a contract unless it meets the standard. Then if you want to be a freak and work at Mesa then so be it. Just don't expect that when they go bust you have a job at PSA or Piedmont. Make your choice then stick with it. If all airlines had the same pay then it wouldn't make any sense to whipsaw groups around.
Just have 1 contract for all. 1 pay rate.

 

That is the most inteligent thing i have seen all day. I feel much like you do. Those who went to crappy airlines made their bed now they have to sleep in it.

 

And I dont disagree with you Jon. However with the FFD program and what has been propsed and tossed around, anyone on property would not get the boot if pilots were brought on board. I believe there is something in the works along the lines of all the furloughed and active pilots would not be bounced due to a gain of planes. However the NEW jobs created, if there are any, by a net gain of planes would be given to the pilots of the airline that stood up and refused to fly the planes. At the end of the day there's a lot that needs to be worked out.

Am I a fan of the current program, its hard to say since there's very little out there to tell us exactly how things would work and or what the thought process is about really. However I would not be opposed to listening to peoples thoughts on the issue and seeing where it goes. At the end of the day it would come to an angreement at which point a pilot group can choose to either vote it in and or out. However the thought of, "My airline wont fold" is a concept people around PSA seem to think, and its not exactly the best way to approach things. Because tomorrow we could be the next comair with Mesa gaining our planes. But again I want more details on the FFD program as I am sure you do....

fyi Jon, we never met up at the good ole Hooters to discuss things!!! I thought beers were on you!?!?

 

I am not against bringing pilot group B onto pilot group A's list however it should not be done via DOH (as i have heard tossed round the crew room) since it would not be a merger or anything like it. Should Pilot group A get pilot group B's airplanes then they should go to the bottom of the list. I would think it would be in all pilot groups interest to let Pilot group B come onto group A's list at current longevity but at the bottom of seniority. Possibly with fences on the seats of the new aircraft that would not alow Pilot group A from displaceing Pilot group B from their seats with a stipulation that should a furlough occur the gates would be erroded in as many places as are needed for the furlough alowing the lower pilot group B to be furloughed and pilots from group A to take the seats of the furloughed group B. Once the number of furloughees were taken from the group then the fences would be replaced until a time where the life of the fence expired or a time when more furloughes are needed. Should the furloughed pilots from group B be recalled they would be placed where ever they have the ability to hold acording to system seniority and the fences would not apply to those recalled. Should spots come open on pilot group B's side of the fence prior to the end of the life of the fence, those seats would first be offered up into a system wide bid, then should all of the seats not be filled through this means then newhires could be placed into those seats.

I am sure there are more things that need to be thought through however the rumors that are floating are nowhere near as nice to the lower half of the group as what i have just described. I also don't think most people realize how senior some that may come in are. Should we agree to DOH then i think almost 75% of our list would be below them. We are a very small young company. I know what you are talking abut people thinking there is no way that we would ever go belly up. That is a bad way to think yes but so it jumping into bed with the first girl willing to drop em just so your not the last one at the bar. Anyone could be the next Mesa, RAH, or comair but you cant run around counting on it or you will drive yourself nuts worrying about it. We need to really think if the risk is worth the reward. I personaly don't care if I ever see a seat of "the 9" unless the pay matches the size of the aircraft. Our stand should not be reactive saving people from the fire but a stand on pay much like the pilot group did years ago with "the 9". The solidarity between PSA, Peidmont, and AWAC is the begining and if nurtured and respected could mature into a movment that could raise not only the pay but working conditions in the regionals.

FYI... I was in dayton while we were both furloughed, I was in dayton while you were being reacalled, I was in dayton in recall class while you were based there. All it took was one message to get me out. And just to clearify you got recalled first beers were on you!

 

For sure, anybody knows how many guys are on the street right now?



APC:PSA Profile

Pilots
55 furlough

Hiring
Not Hiring, 69 on Furlough

PSA MEC
August 14, 2009
ON FURLOUGH: 55 PILOTS

August 12, 2009
ON FURLOUGH: 63 PILOTS

 

The latest union bulletin which came out today says 55 pilots.

We had 69 on furlough, but called back 14.

 

Out of those 55 I know of 5 that went on to other things...Might be more that went to Mesaba, Lynx or Lakes when they were hiring. Hopefully they will bring some more back this fall and winter.

 

I Love Lamp

 

I really dont think anyone really knows? As terrible as that is to say. The fact of the matter is a number of guys left for other airlines, comair, gojets, lynx, great lakes, mesaba etc. So the number is unknown to me. I would venture to say 55, however I have no facts to support that.

Oh yeah CaptKrunch... First round can be on me... Although if I am ever in TYS its on you?

 

thank you all for the info... at least there is light at the end of the tunnel.