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06-28-2014, 07:33 PM
#512
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
Here's an idea.. Don't drink and drive!!!!!!! Are you guys somehow justifying a DUI? This is the true problem with some guys mentality! Which is also a hazardous attitude. It's ok if you don't get caught right? I wonder what the thousands of people who have had loved ones die by a drunk driver would say about this?!
06-28-2014, 08:03 PM
#513
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
Here's an idea.. Don't drink and drive!!!!!!! Are you guys somehow justifying a DUI? This is the true problem with some guys mentality! Which is also a hazardous attitude. It's ok if you don't get caught right? I wonder what the thousands of people who have had loved ones die by a drunk driver would say about this?!
06-28-2014, 08:23 PM
#514
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
These PSA guys love to act the innocent but there is no hiding behind the truth - They took concessions for airplanes when everyone else is saying no.
This should not come as a surprise. Sit down with any Piedmont pilot and listen to the history of them being hosed by PSA. Recently, people theorized Piedmont was going to hose the rest of us too when they didn't sign the multi regional ALPA contract to no longer lower the bar. Ask any Piedmonter and you will know it is because they regard the contract as worthless being that PSA signed it, AFTER they had just hosed everyone.
I had a USair Captain in my jumpseat today. As always lately, the conversation turns to the goings on. This was the first guy I had met yet that was unaware of PSAs recent selfish move. Suffice to say, once I had enlightened him, he was damn close to not letting a brown streaker in his jumpseat.
The word is out. Don't call it being a scab I don't care. You can't get past being scum though.
This should not come as a surprise. Sit down with any Piedmont pilot and listen to the history of them being hosed by PSA. Recently, people theorized Piedmont was going to hose the rest of us too when they didn't sign the multi regional ALPA contract to no longer lower the bar. Ask any Piedmonter and you will know it is because they regard the contract as worthless being that PSA signed it, AFTER they had just hosed everyone.
I had a USair Captain in my jumpseat today. As always lately, the conversation turns to the goings on. This was the first guy I had met yet that was unaware of PSAs recent selfish move. Suffice to say, once I had enlightened him, he was damn close to not letting a brown streaker in his jumpseat.
The word is out. Don't call it being a scab I don't care. You can't get past being scum though.
Glad we could chat again. I made a request about a page ago....care to answer it? Or did you just want to ignore it because you had no real answer?
I'm sure whatever it was that you told the "USair"ways captain was totally unbiased and full of 100% factual information.
06-28-2014, 10:40 PM
#515
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
These PSA guys love to act the innocent but there is no hiding behind the truth - They took concessions for airplanes when everyone else is saying no.
This should not come as a surprise. Sit down with any Piedmont pilot and listen to the history of them being hosed by PSA. Recently, people theorized Piedmont was going to hose the rest of us too when they didn't sign the multi regional ALPA contract to no longer lower the bar. Ask any Piedmonter and you will know it is because they regard the contract as worthless being that PSA signed it, AFTER they had just hosed everyone.
I had a USair Captain in my jumpseat today. As always lately, the conversation turns to the goings on. This was the first guy I had met yet that was unaware of PSAs recent selfish move. Suffice to say, once I had enlightened him, he was damn close to not letting a brown streaker in his jumpseat.
The word is out. Don't call it being a scab I don't care. You can't get past being scum though.
This should not come as a surprise. Sit down with any Piedmont pilot and listen to the history of them being hosed by PSA. Recently, people theorized Piedmont was going to hose the rest of us too when they didn't sign the multi regional ALPA contract to no longer lower the bar. Ask any Piedmonter and you will know it is because they regard the contract as worthless being that PSA signed it, AFTER they had just hosed everyone.
I had a USair Captain in my jumpseat today. As always lately, the conversation turns to the goings on. This was the first guy I had met yet that was unaware of PSAs recent selfish move. Suffice to say, once I had enlightened him, he was damn close to not letting a brown streaker in his jumpseat.
The word is out. Don't call it being a scab I don't care. You can't get past being scum though.
First of all, all the concessions were was capping pay which sucks, but how many people are actually planning to stay at a regional for life? Second off, iirc did the psa contract not get voted on BEFORE Eagle turned down the contract?
To call psa accepting a contract that another airline turned down "scabbing" is just sillyness and immaturity on all fronts. You are just as selfish as you accuse others of being. "Oh but wait, it's totally different if it's me right?! As long as someone else is not inconveniencing me..." Hooray for hypocrisy and double standards!
And I'll tell you something else. If you are a regional pilot than YOU sir are just as responsible for "scabbing" or "scumming," or whatever other dumb s word you want to use, as PSA pilots are. Every single regional has underbid someone else and taken a mainline job away. This is called the free market and you either adapt or die.
You offer absolutely 0 insight into any of these threads and have nothing positive to say. I'd rather listen to a mindless "company cheerleader" blowing smoke up my rear end all day than to listen to your non sensical rhetoric for even 5 minutes. It takes way less effort to listen to positivity. I will step down off my soap box now, but for the love...if you have no insight to add (which has been absolutely none so far) please stop posting.
06-29-2014, 03:12 AM
#516
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Originally Posted by Saabless
I have no problem with Skywest or Compass painting their hulls in Eagle colors. Those pilots have contracts in place and their company was awarded some American flying. They are trying to feed their family just like the rest of us. Does it suck for Envoy pilots who were promised those new planes PSA were given after taking bankruptcy concessions a year ago? Sure. But what really stings is a pilot group anxious to take concessions for those new planes seconds after the Eagle pilots said NO to more consessions in the form of a B scale. This was a time to stick together as a profession. Not take consessions and lower the bar to entice Parker to place these shiny new planes with the lowest bidder. How much less are we worth? I'm sure some other fly by night company will sell their souls to AAG to get a few new planes so their pilots can get a quick upgrades at the expense of the rest of the airline profession. Fortunately PSA is a small company and the hiring departments at the majors are aware of these Gojet like maneuvers. And fortunately the rest of the regional airline pilots are unified together as to not take more concessions to get new planes and quick upgrades. The rest of us need to stay strong and not let a minority group ruin our profession and livelihood.
06-29-2014, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherman
You are wrong here; the 900s were in fact destined for Eagle until US Air management demanded Eagle take a B-scale in order to get the 900s. The Eagle MEC took a stand and rejected the B-scale so as not to screw over all other pilots in this industry. The Eagle MEC did the right thing and stood up for all regional pilots.
The 900s were never destined for PSA until US Air management punished Eagle for rejecting the B-scale.
The 900s were never destined for PSA until US Air management punished Eagle for rejecting the B-scale.
06-29-2014, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
That rationalization is what was/is wrong with the FFD carriers. In this stage of the industry that argument doesn't hold water. It wasn't about the planes, it was about the voluntary pay cuts outside of bankruptcy to get jets, after Eagle just refused paycuts for jets.
Compass got raises. Expressjet refused concessions. Republic refused concessions, and in fact refused what would have been among industry leading in many areas. Commutair and Silver even stood up to say enough, and ended up with significant gains.
The ALPA FFD committee is falling apart because the leaders from Mesa, PSA, PDT are refusing to follow through on creating a industry standard base pilot contract. They'd rather just try and profit over you other guys turning down planes. If you're a pilot at one of those three turncoat companies, you should be calling your union leaders demanding explanations and resignations.
Compass got raises. Expressjet refused concessions. Republic refused concessions, and in fact refused what would have been among industry leading in many areas. Commutair and Silver even stood up to say enough, and ended up with significant gains.
The ALPA FFD committee is falling apart because the leaders from Mesa, PSA, PDT are refusing to follow through on creating a industry standard base pilot contract. They'd rather just try and profit over you other guys turning down planes. If you're a pilot at one of those three turncoat companies, you should be calling your union leaders demanding explanations and resignations.
AA would and WILL start a new regional like Compass if there were no takers. And they'd have ZERO ISSUES staffing it.
06-29-2014, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
Mason you're clearly out of touch. Compass begun to lower cost. When their pilots soon will have all under 4-5 years longevity no one can compete with that. Thus why B6 had such the advantage in Boston post 9/11 and Airways pulled down...
AA would and WILL start a new regional like Compass if there were no takers. And they'd have ZERO ISSUES staffing it.
AA would and WILL start a new regional like Compass if there were no takers. And they'd have ZERO ISSUES staffing it.
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