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Old 06-28-2014 | 05:50 PM
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I have no problem with Skywest or Compass painting their hulls in Eagle colors. Those pilots have contracts in place and their company was awarded some American flying. They are trying to feed their family just like the rest of us. Does it suck for Envoy pilots who were promised those new planes PSA were given after taking bankruptcy concessions a year ago? Sure. But what really stings is a pilot group anxious to take concessions for those new planes seconds after the Eagle pilots said NO to more consessions in the form of a B scale. This was a time to stick together as a profession. Not take consessions and lower the bar to entice Parker to place these shiny new planes with the lowest bidder. How much less are we worth? I'm sure some other fly by night company will sell their souls to AAG to get a few new planes so their pilots can get a quick upgrades at the expense of the rest of the airline profession. Fortunately PSA is a small company and the hiring departments at the majors are aware of these Gojet like maneuvers. And fortunately the rest of the regional airline pilots are unified together as to not take more concessions to get new planes and quick upgrades. The rest of us need to stay strong and not let a minority group ruin our profession and livelihood.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bbourne2009
The only difference between the DUI guys n gals and 85% of the rest of the industry is that they got caught.

Doesn't necessarily mean they would be unprofessional in the workplace.
That is problem with some guys mentality. They think they are better because they never got caught. I actually know 4 guys that have DWI or DUI on their record that have gotten hired at a Major Airline in the last 5 years ( my cousin was one of them. He actually got his in 95' and then got in the the Navy in 98'. Then got hired at a Major in 2010.) The other 3 work at the Regional I am at right now. The went to US Air, JetBlue, Southwest and United. Now most of these had these DWI or DUIs over 6 years ago, and they will tell you there is more paper work involved and networking to get hired but it is possible. It does not automatically disqualify you or make you a bad employee. It just shows you are human and made a mistake and got caught.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dukeuno
That is problem with some guys mentality. They think they are better because they never got caught. I actually know 4 guys that have DWI or DUI on their record that have gotten hired at a Major Airline in the last 5 years ( my cousin was one of them. He actually got his in 95' and then got in the the Navy in 98'. Then got hired at a Major in 2010.) The other 3 work at the Regional I am at right now. The went to US Air, JetBlue, Southwest and United. Now most of these had these DWI or DUIs over 6 years ago, and they will tell you there is more paper work involved and networking to get hired but it is possible. It does not automatically disqualify you or make you a bad employee. It just shows you are human and made a mistake and got caught.
Here's an idea.. Don't drink and drive!!!!!!! Are you guys somehow justifying a DUI? This is the true problem with some guys mentality! Which is also a hazardous attitude. It's ok if you don't get caught right? I wonder what the thousands of people who have had loved ones die by a drunk driver would say about this?!
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Old 06-28-2014 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
How about this...

Enjoy your time before going into full training.
that's a good idea
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Old 06-28-2014 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
Here's an idea.. Don't drink and drive!!!!!!! Are you guys somehow justifying a DUI? This is the true problem with some guys mentality! Which is also a hazardous attitude. It's ok if you don't get caught right? I wonder what the thousands of people who have had loved ones die by a drunk driver would say about this?!
I am not justifying DWIs. I am saying people make mistakes. I am sure you have make some. I know I have. I am saying don't judge because someone made a mistake. I agree with you don't drink and drive, but I did it in college and did not get caught ( not saying it was right), but unless you live in a glass house don't be a d!ck to others that have made mistakes. Actually right now they are saying Texting and driving is just as bad causing as many accidents on the freeways along with fatalities. You are probably the same guy that says he doesn't make any mistakes while flying. That is more of a hazardous attitude to have than any.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
Here's an idea.. Don't drink and drive!!!!!!! Are you guys somehow justifying a DUI? This is the true problem with some guys mentality! Which is also a hazardous attitude. It's ok if you don't get caught right? I wonder what the thousands of people who have had loved ones die by a drunk driver would say about this?!
Sounds simple right? But probably a good 60%, if not more, of all the patrons of any given restaurant are going to drink and drive on any given night. They aren't all going to get stone drunk, but they are probably going to have a drink. We have to change a lot more about our society before we can just make those "don't drink and drive" catch phrases reality, our society completely enables, especially with our lack of public transportation. It's just the same as many other things. Could be your speeding causes and accident and people die, or maybe your failure to actually stop at a right light/stopsign turn. You think you can handle it, but you get distracted at the key moment or just can't stop because you chose to disregard the rules. People rationalize these risks each and every day, whether it's these or having a drink at a restaurant and then driving home. All sorts of things can "kill". I'm not advocating drinking and driving, but I'd bet 95% of the people taking your attitude are just as guilty as anyone else on this issue.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
These PSA guys love to act the innocent but there is no hiding behind the truth - They took concessions for airplanes when everyone else is saying no.

This should not come as a surprise. Sit down with any Piedmont pilot and listen to the history of them being hosed by PSA. Recently, people theorized Piedmont was going to hose the rest of us too when they didn't sign the multi regional ALPA contract to no longer lower the bar. Ask any Piedmonter and you will know it is because they regard the contract as worthless being that PSA signed it, AFTER they had just hosed everyone.

I had a USair Captain in my jumpseat today. As always lately, the conversation turns to the goings on. This was the first guy I had met yet that was unaware of PSAs recent selfish move. Suffice to say, once I had enlightened him, he was damn close to not letting a brown streaker in his jumpseat.

The word is out. Don't call it being a scab I don't care. You can't get past being scum though.
Hey bud.....

Glad we could chat again. I made a request about a page ago....care to answer it? Or did you just want to ignore it because you had no real answer?

I'm sure whatever it was that you told the "USair"ways captain was totally unbiased and full of 100% factual information.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
These PSA guys love to act the innocent but there is no hiding behind the truth - They took concessions for airplanes when everyone else is saying no.

This should not come as a surprise. Sit down with any Piedmont pilot and listen to the history of them being hosed by PSA. Recently, people theorized Piedmont was going to hose the rest of us too when they didn't sign the multi regional ALPA contract to no longer lower the bar. Ask any Piedmonter and you will know it is because they regard the contract as worthless being that PSA signed it, AFTER they had just hosed everyone.

I had a USair Captain in my jumpseat today. As always lately, the conversation turns to the goings on. This was the first guy I had met yet that was unaware of PSAs recent selfish move. Suffice to say, once I had enlightened him, he was damn close to not letting a brown streaker in his jumpseat.

The word is out. Don't call it being a scab I don't care. You can't get past being scum though.
Okay, call me a psa apologist but you are a complete joke and have very little class to be making statements like that.

First of all, all the concessions were was capping pay which sucks, but how many people are actually planning to stay at a regional for life? Second off, iirc did the psa contract not get voted on BEFORE Eagle turned down the contract?

To call psa accepting a contract that another airline turned down "scabbing" is just sillyness and immaturity on all fronts. You are just as selfish as you accuse others of being. "Oh but wait, it's totally different if it's me right?! As long as someone else is not inconveniencing me..." Hooray for hypocrisy and double standards!

And I'll tell you something else. If you are a regional pilot than YOU sir are just as responsible for "scabbing" or "scumming," or whatever other dumb s word you want to use, as PSA pilots are. Every single regional has underbid someone else and taken a mainline job away. This is called the free market and you either adapt or die.

You offer absolutely 0 insight into any of these threads and have nothing positive to say. I'd rather listen to a mindless "company cheerleader" blowing smoke up my rear end all day than to listen to your non sensical rhetoric for even 5 minutes. It takes way less effort to listen to positivity. I will step down off my soap box now, but for the love...if you have no insight to add (which has been absolutely none so far) please stop posting.
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Old 06-29-2014 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabless
I have no problem with Skywest or Compass painting their hulls in Eagle colors. Those pilots have contracts in place and their company was awarded some American flying. They are trying to feed their family just like the rest of us. Does it suck for Envoy pilots who were promised those new planes PSA were given after taking bankruptcy concessions a year ago? Sure. But what really stings is a pilot group anxious to take concessions for those new planes seconds after the Eagle pilots said NO to more consessions in the form of a B scale. This was a time to stick together as a profession. Not take consessions and lower the bar to entice Parker to place these shiny new planes with the lowest bidder. How much less are we worth? I'm sure some other fly by night company will sell their souls to AAG to get a few new planes so their pilots can get a quick upgrades at the expense of the rest of the airline profession. Fortunately PSA is a small company and the hiring departments at the majors are aware of these Gojet like maneuvers. And fortunately the rest of the regional airline pilots are unified together as to not take more concessions to get new planes and quick upgrades. The rest of us need to stay strong and not let a minority group ruin our profession and livelihood.
Again AE wasn't promised ALL the flying. It was known that you weren't going to be the only show in town anymore. Stop saying lies. PSA got the order of 900s originally intended for them. The 175s were going to be AEs but their attitude of we can't be shutdown has allowed RAH, Compass and others to get those planes. Open your eyes there.
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Old 06-29-2014 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherman
You are wrong here; the 900s were in fact destined for Eagle until US Air management demanded Eagle take a B-scale in order to get the 900s. The Eagle MEC took a stand and rejected the B-scale so as not to screw over all other pilots in this industry. The Eagle MEC did the right thing and stood up for all regional pilots.

The 900s were never destined for PSA until US Air management punished Eagle for rejecting the B-scale.
Wrong again. The new AA had both 175/900s. Those 175s were AEs to get. The 900s were whoever. Open your eyes.... AE was never going to stay as big with this new management in place. I.e. US had 7+ Express flying for them prior and that's exactly the plan at AA....
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