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#1801
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Excuse me for my ineptitude in this, as I'm a corporate guy that hasn't ever stepped foot in the pointy side of an airliner, but I am curious where the growth, attrition, and current hiring trends will leave PSA for upgrade times for someone just about to come onboard. If, for instance, I was offered a class date starting late April or so, I'm curious if anyone that is currently employed with PSA has a solid understanding of when said person could upgrade with what we know is happening with PSA. In other words, all things continuing as they are today, will a new hire without any part 121 SIC, but plenty of total time and turbine PIC, making them competent to switch seats, be privy to the under two year upgrade? Or are the numbers truly out of proportion for that already?
To more directly answer your question though, it does appear as though 6 month upgrades are a reality at PSA right now and for the foreseeable future, but only for those that already have (or will have) the 1000 hours of 121 SIC time that will be required for upgrade. You on the other hand do not have the 1000 hours, so it will take you at least 15 months optimistically to acquire that time, probably closer to 18 months.
PSA has two things going for it in your favor. First attrition, which most regional airlines are seeing. Second though is growth. Only a handful of regional airlines are growing and adding aircraft.
#1803
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From: CL65
For new hires, the training footprint is realistically 4 months from Day 1 to end of IOE. There is a ~1 month break between ground school and sims, and a 4-6 week break between your sims and IOE.
During the first break, you will spend one day doing your oral, and during the second break, you will spend 4 days in differences training.
The attrition has hit the most senior people in the training department pretty hard, and PSA has lost some check airmen and training captains. Fortunately, PSA has picked up some really good people from other companies (primarily Comair). This has led to a delay in getting to IOE.
But, you are paid during this time off, and you have travel benefits. After you finish training, you need to finish your 1000 hours. This will likely take at least 13 months. So, 13 months on the line plus 4 months in training puts you around the 17 month mark. That is why I was "guessing" that upgrades would be around 18 months.
During the first break, you will spend one day doing your oral, and during the second break, you will spend 4 days in differences training.
The attrition has hit the most senior people in the training department pretty hard, and PSA has lost some check airmen and training captains. Fortunately, PSA has picked up some really good people from other companies (primarily Comair). This has led to a delay in getting to IOE.
But, you are paid during this time off, and you have travel benefits. After you finish training, you need to finish your 1000 hours. This will likely take at least 13 months. So, 13 months on the line plus 4 months in training puts you around the 17 month mark. That is why I was "guessing" that upgrades would be around 18 months.
#1804
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If there are indeed more checkairman in the pipeline I suspect that will start to drop soon.
Just one datapoint.
#1805
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Is this FACT? Can you back up that out of an 18% incomplete rate that almost half don't actually wash out? That seems like an absolutely ridiculous number. You are saying that almost half leave of their own accord? Because what? They found another job mid training at a major or something as you said before? I just don't buy it sir. Perhaps they leave because they know they are going to fail, but even then the number is high.
How are you privy to such information? It surely is not something your company shares to the public pilot group. If a "training center" guy told you, I would believe it even less.
How are you privy to such information? It surely is not something your company shares to the public pilot group. If a "training center" guy told you, I would believe it even less.
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#1808
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All 3 should have direct flights from ATL. CLT has the most plus is served by US giving you better jumpseat priority.
#1809
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Good luck in class, and enjoy the Fairfield Inn. Let us know the demographics of your class (prior 121, CFIs, military).
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