Originally Posted by Waitingformins

I need to make an apology on this thread. I guess being young and naive made me think two Alpa shops could work out a deal to mutually benefit each other.
When I was shopping regionals Mesa and RAH were the only two companies announcing new flying. If the PSA TA wouldn't have passed Mesa would have gotten the order. Compasss got an order after envoy's vote didn't pass. It's clear a day that Mesa would have gotten the 900s. I calculated that I could drop down to 65 hours and make the same as a Mesa pilot working 75hours with 11 whole days off. It's clear that the 900s are on a more valuable contract than they would have been even with the concessionary TA. The 700s are a victim of a merger period. No different than losing in SLI through arbitration. The PSA Mec made a poor choice writing this letter.

I by no means think the Eagle Mec has done anything applaudable for their pilots. Telling your pilots to quit is 10 times more disgracefull than this letter could be.
Endeavor paid bonuses and had a nyc base. So what, any eagle pilot can figure out how to quit and become a new hire all by themselves, they don't need to pay dues for that privilege. Endeavor was hiring guys back at their pervious longgevity, did Eagle shop talk about that. Did they talk about allowing them to keep their seniority on the eagle list if they quit for endeavor. Did the Eagle Union have any conversation about anything that an eagle pilot couldn't acheive on his own. Isn't that the point of a union? To not even have a conversation, and look your pilots in the face and say we tried everthying is a discrase. It shows your senior group is more worried about scales than jobs, but will be happy to collect dues from them right up until the day they're furloughed.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

Have you bothered to ask the PCL MEC if there was any discussion of longevity transfer for ENY pilots?

In fact, the coversations were with Delta, the response came by way of Endeavor management asking their MEC what longevity transfer they'd give Envoy pilots. Who do you think pushed National to get United to run the open house, or the Alaska one. We started that back at the BOD meeting. The Envoy MEC has been hard at work helping pilots move UP, not sideways. We leave sideways gaming to the likes of the PSA MEC. Solving regional staffing is the job of management; they can fix it with their checkbook as demonstrated by Endeavor.

You make a lot of assumptions and false accusations for having such an obvious lack of factual information.

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Are you still here? I thought you had disappeared for a few months but now you are back. For those that do not know cujo = mason32 from the union. He delivered Envoy pilots one of the biggest set backs in modern regional airline history.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

Have you bothered to ask the PCL MEC if there was any discussion of longevity transfer for ENY pilots?

In fact, the coversations were with Delta, the response came by way of Endeavor management asking their MEC what longevity transfer they'd give Envoy pilots. Who do you think pushed National to get United to run the open house, or the Alaska one. We started that back at the BOD meeting. The Envoy MEC has been hard at work helping pilots move UP, not sideways. We leave sideways gaming to the likes of the PSA MEC. Solving regional staffing is the job of management; they can fix it with their checkbook as demonstrated by Endeavor.

You make a lot of assumptions and false accusations for having such an obvious lack of factual information.

Originally Posted by Ar Pilot

Ego and PSA hate aside... How is PSA asking for the transfer of envoy pilots with the 700s (assuming the only way you know envoy pilots and the MEC would agree to it, is if longevity was included) is any different that what you've been doing?

Originally Posted by 404yxl

Unless the Envoy pilots come with seniority and their contract, they would only lose and not agree to it.

Originally Posted by Ar Pilot

Every 2-8 year Envoy CRJ FO would be a captain at PSA. Let the unions figure out the particulars of how benefits and such would work. "Flow" 10 pilots over per plane into an upgrade class each month. Envoy keeps its staffing high, PSA gets the glut of captains it needs. Then in a few years when AA decides to re-shuffle the deck again... move pilots right back over to PDT or wherever, with their seniority. Slowly ends the whipsaw game.

This would be about as close to a "National Seniority List," that so many guys dream about, you can get.

Originally Posted by Ar Pilot

Again, this won't gain any traction, but maybe be a little slow to get ****ed about all this stuff. It could have potentially been a good thing for the industry.

Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus

Psa is now hiring direct entry captains!


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Originally Posted by jumpseat2024

If I read the latest fast read correctly, the company and alpa couldn't strike an agreement to allow street captains.