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Old 09-16-2015 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PSAJOBS
Where is there a "reduction" in flying. You really are new aren't you? We are adding airplane and flying every month. LOL
I like how I present facts and all you come back with is "I must be new". Makes sense with recruiters like you why your classes are single digits right now.
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Old 09-16-2015 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
I like how I present facts and all you come back with is "I must be new". Makes sense with recruiters like you why your classes are single digits right now.
OK, I will try to educate you again. If say we are flying 86 airplanes in a given month and we have to sit a 200 for a month but we took a new 900, where is there a reduction? It's the same amount of flying.
How does that not make sense?

Also, you assume a lot...........
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Old 09-16-2015 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
I like how I present facts and all you come back with is "I must be new". Makes sense with recruiters like you why your classes are single digits right now.

How would it be a reduction in flying if we swap 200's for 700 or 900. I'm sure it would be at the same ratio. 1 for 1 since we are already slated to receive them all.


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Old 09-16-2015 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PSAJOBS
You have no idea what the company is doing...........................

And neither do they ..
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Old 09-16-2015 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PSAJOBS
OK, I will try to educate you again. If say we are flying 86 airplanes in a given month and we have to sit a 200 for a month but we took a new 900, where is there a reduction? It's the same amount of flying.
How does that not make sense?

Also, you assume a lot...........
You can't fly them if you can't staff them. That would be a reduction. The great FO shuffle is about over and it's about time.
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Old 09-16-2015 | 07:40 AM
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The lack of acceptable premium pay is a problem. 125% for working on a day off is not worth it for the majority of pilots. Critical pay was a great thing, not any more.

Many people would accept trading 125% SDO and 150% critical for 150% SDO along with a 4-hour no strings attached min day. If that was done and SAP trades approved quickly again, people would start recommending this place and staffing would not be an issue.
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Old 09-16-2015 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PSAJOBS
OK, I will try to educate you again. If say we are flying 86 airplanes in a given month and we have to sit a 200 for a month but we took a new 900, where is there a reduction? It's the same amount of flying.
How does that not make sense?

Also, you assume a lot...........
Try pulling your head out of the sand and imagine this scenario. You guys barely are able to staff the 24 options that you are taking delivery of over the next year. Half way through your options when you are running classes of only 10 a month, (cause let's face it, once the cats out of the bag on the upgrade being gone, with no flow, bonus, and terrible pay, and the worst bases of any major regional, why would anyone go there?) the staffing crisis will blind side management like a freight train leading AAG to announce that the remaining Envoy CRJ 700s you are supposed to get will be rerouted to either Air Whisky or maybe even Mesa or Skywest. That announcement will trigger the mass exodus of junior FOs, afraid of being stuck at a stagnant airline. All your 900s will have been delivered, no more used 700s will be coming, and eventually as things deteriorate AAG will be forced to sacrifice the 200s to keep the 900s flying. This my friend will trigger your "unthinkable and impossible" displacement bid. Grab the popcorn, cause this iceberg is only 12 months out.
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Old 09-16-2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PSAJOBS
It wouldn't be a reduction in flying. In that case it would be the same amount of flying.

I agree if we park 200s to bring 700/900s online. What I am saying is if we have to park airplanes do to not having enough pilots to staff in the future. That would be a reduction in flying. I mean the list has been shrinking since the spring.


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Old 09-16-2015 | 08:47 AM
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I suspect the remaining 35 Envoy 700s will come in the form of a direct one for one replacement of 200s. We have 35 200s, and Envoy has 35 more 700s

It will take all of 2016 and probably into the beginning of 2017 to staff and take on all of the 24 new 900s. Some people claim management told them 200s leases don't expire tell 2019 or later. I've read AAG SEC reports which indicate leases on the 200s starting to expire in 2017. This is during the same projected time frame when the remaining Envoy 700s are supposed to arrive.

The only net growth will probably come from the remaining few Envoy 700s (about 4-5) and the 24 new 900s.
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Old 09-16-2015 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
I suspect the remaining 35 Envoy 700s will come in the form of a direct one for one replacement of 200s. We have 35 200s, and Envoy has 35 more 700s

It will take all of 2016 and probably into the beginning of 2017 to staff and take on all of the 24 new 900s. Some people claim management told them 200s leases don't expire tell 2019 or later. I've read AAG SEC reports which indicate leases on the 200s starting to expire in 2017. This is during the same projected time frame when the remaining Envoy 700s are supposed to arrive.

The only net growth will probably come from the remaining few Envoy 700s (about 4-5) and the 24 new 900s.
^^^^This sounds much more factual and realistic. Guess that means only a new growth of 300 more pilots. In that case you guys just went from hiring the bottom third of your list to the bottom fifth. I am sure there will be lots of new hires who want in on this deal. "Hey come to PSA and help us finish out the bottom of our seniority list. We have no current bonus, no flow, low pay, SAP is broken, BUT, the CRJ 900's sure are new!"

Maybe that can be your next new recruiting poster PSAJOBS.

"PSA.........Our Airplanes Smell Nice!"*



*DISCLAIMER, Smell only applies to new CRJ 900's and in no way PSA guarantees a pleasant smell on the CRJ 200, and CRJ 700 used aircraft.
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