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A pilot hired today at PSA will not have an 8 month upgrade.
Those guys got in at exactly the right time and already had the 1000 SIC requirement covered. As time wears on all the guys getting bypassed due to the 1000 rule will have the required time.
There will still be quite a few guys that will enjoy a very fast upgrade, but they are already hired and flying the line, someone hired right now is not one of them.
Those guys got in at exactly the right time and already had the 1000 SIC requirement covered. As time wears on all the guys getting bypassed due to the 1000 rule will have the required time.
There will still be quite a few guys that will enjoy a very fast upgrade, but they are already hired and flying the line, someone hired right now is not one of them.
I'm coming from a background in general aviation for a number of years, and I've been flying 135 for the last 3.5 years. So I'm not new to flying, but certainly green in 121.
One question, does anyone know if 135 flight time counts toward the 1000 hr air carrier requirement to upgrade?
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Originally Posted by pagey
A pilot hired today at PSA will not have an 8 month upgrade.
Those guys got in at exactly the right time and already had the 1000 SIC requirement covered. As time wears on all the guys getting bypassed due to the 1000 rule will have the required time.
There will still be quite a few guys that will enjoy a very fast upgrade, but they are already hired and flying the line, someone hired right now is not one of them.
Howdy, I'll be new to 121 starting PSA Feb. 16.
I'm coming from a background in general aviation for a number of years, and I've been flying 135 for the last 3.5 years. So I'm not new to flying, but certainly green in 121.
One question, does anyone know if 135 flight time counts toward the 1000 hr air carrier requirement to upgrade?
Originally Posted by pagey
A pilot hired today at PSA will not have an 8 month upgrade.
Those guys got in at exactly the right time and already had the 1000 SIC requirement covered. As time wears on all the guys getting bypassed due to the 1000 rule will have the required time.
There will still be quite a few guys that will enjoy a very fast upgrade, but they are already hired and flying the line, someone hired right now is not one of them.
Howdy, I'll be new to 121 starting PSA Feb. 16.
I'm coming from a background in general aviation for a number of years, and I've been flying 135 for the last 3.5 years. So I'm not new to flying, but certainly green in 121.
One question, does anyone know if 135 flight time counts toward the 1000 hr air carrier requirement to upgrade?
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Some of you really need to take the time to actually read the reg with regard to 121 PIC.
FAR 121.436
(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:
(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in §61.167 of this chapter;
(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.
(b) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as second in command unless the pilot holds an airline transport pilot certificate and an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown. A second-in-command type rating obtained under §61.55 does not satisfy the requirements of this section.
(c) For the purpose of satisfying the flight hour requirement in paragraph (a)(3) of this section, a pilot may credit 500 hours of military flight time obtained as pilot in command of a multiengine turbine-powered, fixed-wing airplane in an operation requiring more than one pilot.
(d) Compliance with the requirements of this section is required by August 1, 2013. However, for those pilots who are employed as second in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the type rating requirement in paragraph (b) of this section is not required until January 1, 2016.
135.243(a)(1)
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
91.1053(a)(2)(i) refers to pilots flying multi engine, fixed wing or powered lift, turbine aircraft under a fractional ownership program.
FAR 121.436
(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:
(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in §61.167 of this chapter;
(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.
(b) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as second in command unless the pilot holds an airline transport pilot certificate and an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown. A second-in-command type rating obtained under §61.55 does not satisfy the requirements of this section.
(c) For the purpose of satisfying the flight hour requirement in paragraph (a)(3) of this section, a pilot may credit 500 hours of military flight time obtained as pilot in command of a multiengine turbine-powered, fixed-wing airplane in an operation requiring more than one pilot.
(d) Compliance with the requirements of this section is required by August 1, 2013. However, for those pilots who are employed as second in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the type rating requirement in paragraph (b) of this section is not required until January 1, 2016.
135.243(a)(1)
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
91.1053(a)(2)(i) refers to pilots flying multi engine, fixed wing or powered lift, turbine aircraft under a fractional ownership program.
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Upgrade time at PSA should stay under 2 years for a while, and our contract probably offers better QoL via the SAP. I don't know anything about TSA's contract so I could be wrong.
TSA is a great choice right now for fast upgrade though.
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