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03-02-2016, 04:27 PM

#1051

chrisreedrules

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Joined APC: Feb 2012

Position: CRJ FO

Posts: 4,599

I agree. Everyone gets a bonus or no one does.

03-02-2016, 04:27 PM

#1052

manilo52

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Joined APC: Jun 2015

Posts: 59

Lets vote everything down!! Hell yeah! Stick it to em.

03-02-2016, 04:50 PM

#1053

Waitingformins

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Posts: 610

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binksy

Ok, so he saved a nickel to spend a nickel elsewhere. It only counts as out maneuvering if his maneuvers work. By crapping on the current pilot group and not honoring the contract he is defeating his own cause, which is to GROW the airline. So far he is only causing the airline to stagnate. Great maneuvering.

He had over 10million bucks on the table, the meeting ended and the union left with nada. That's not a win from any standard. Most of the guys that that were here longer than a year before they upgraded will be gone before anything happens. Every meeting is not a Hail Mary, for holy grail contract. Short yards count.

03-02-2016, 04:50 PM

#1054

jetn67

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Posts: 164

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick111

Dion inherited a profitable and growing airline. Currently it's in decline. There's no disputing that.

He has tried several "gimmicks" to save/restore/grow his airline and his reputation. All have failed.

* Gimmicky change from SSP to flow,

* Gimmicky (and paltry) increase in flow,

* Gimmicky arrangements with flight schools,

* Gimmicky signing bonuses, (demonstrating his contempt for our collective bargaining agreement), and now

* Gimmicky "retention" bonuses.

It would appear that Dion is running out of (failed) gimmicks and he's gonna have to offer something substantial and beneficial to ALL of his pilots,..... if he wants to avoid being known as the guy who failed to make PSA prosper,.... AFTER TAKING OVER FROM KEITH HOUCK!!!!!!

It's in decline cause they don't want to
spend money to grow it...This place
is run by idiots ..My guess is they will
downsize the company because they
can't get anyone to come here and those that stay will pay the price ..

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03-02-2016, 04:52 PM

#1055

Waitingformins

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Posts: 610

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramprat

Bingo. I spent years as an FO on reserve with the old pre13 contract, 72 hr guarantee 10 days off and hardly ever flying to get per diem or break guarantee. Sorry if I don't have pitty on current FOs who spent a month or two on reserve and got their 20k bonus taken out of their hands. In time you will see the MEC did the right thing (Aboveandbeyond)

So your saying you sought employment at a company with a crap contract, because you couldnt get hired anywhere elese or the union took money away from you then like there doing now?

03-02-2016, 04:54 PM

#1056

Waitingformins

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jetn67

Exactly, on now we're down 20k during the decline.

03-02-2016, 05:23 PM

#1057

SEPfield

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Posts: 417

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetn67

That's a possibility, but I would say a pretty remote remote possibility. AAG wants prosperous wholly owned airlines to provide them feed and a supply of pilots. The could Comair us, but then what? They will still need to grow another regional to take the place of PSA, a regional they won't be able to staff with a PSA type contract, so they're right back where they started.

I rest easy with the knowledge that if they downsize us I will get a new job before Dion does. Theres a lot more opportunities for an experienced 121 pilot that there are for the CEO of failed airline owned by AAG.

03-02-2016, 05:28 PM

#1058

MitchRapp

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Posts: 323

Quote:

Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond

Just a reminder to all of the captains...

You have given up absolutely nothing for this. Your FOs have. They are scrounging to get by in life, and $20,000 has been taken from them. That $20,000 is a lot of money when you are only making $24k a year.

No captain should be celebrating. You have not earned the right with this battle. Once you actually give something up, you can celebrate.

If any FO has to buy their own dinner or beverage of choice without a captain offering to pay for it, shame on you. All of the FOs that I know are celebrating this, and think that it will be good for all employees. They have the right. They have given something up. Captains have not.

If I hear one more idiot on DC's Facebook group congratulate themselves even though they have given nothing up, I am going to call pro-standards and say that they were touching me inappropriately.

Wait a minute... If we go out to dinner I have to pay for your meal and your alcohol? I spent 8 years on FO pay and not one time did I ever expect anyone to pay for anything of mine. Good grief. Who the hell do you think you are? I'd venture a guess that more than half of the Captains on the seniority list spent more time in the right seat than you have in this industry.

03-02-2016, 05:28 PM

#1059

moon

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Posts: 687

You guys are doing this wrong. Saying yes to concessions and then no to gains? That's the dumbest thing I've heard. Pretty much what I would expect from an entitled group of idiots though. "Well I paid my dues so my fo shouldn't get a 20-30% raise if I can't either".

03-02-2016, 05:32 PM

#1060

1stCivDivPilot

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Posts: 499

Please cite specific examples of concessions taken with direct comparison to the old contract. Otherwise you're just spewing the same BS talking points with no substance.