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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:06 PM
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I agree about the 5 year timeline. I honestly don't care about figuring out how to make PSA or any regional be successful. I want them all to become so expensive the flying is brought back in house. Their baby stepping is an attempt to get us on the cheap until the music stops and the 900s/175s are pulled to mainline. Screw that. Pay all of us now cause nothing is guaranteed in 6 months, let alone 5 years.
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:12 PM
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Starting in April, classes need to be full or major staffing shortage issues will probably impact the completion factor and reliability this summer. A bunch of canceled flights probably hurts AA more than spending an extra $10-20 Million on labor costs.
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
I agree about the 5 year timeline. I honestly don't care about figuring out how to make PSA or any regional be successful. I want them all to become so expensive the flying is brought back in house. Their baby stepping is an attempt to get us on the cheap until the music stops and the 900s/175s are pulled to mainline. Screw that. Pay all of us now cause nothing is guaranteed in 6 months, let alone 5 years.
There's a lot of truth in that, but still, in my opinion the solution for the present time is:

CAs - Increased Flow
FOs - More Money
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 272922

20K to FOs and flow 10+ a month and this place staffs itself for a long time, maybe until they put the 76 seat aircraft at mainline.
You're probably right except you forgot to mention 20K for everyone, not just FOs. Captains are grossly under paid too. Currently, a three-year 76-seat captain makes half of what a three-year 99-seat captains makes. American E190 vs. PSA CRJ-900
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
Starting in April, classes need to be full or major staffing shortage issues will probably impact the completion factor and reliability this summer. A bunch of canceled flights probably hurts AA more than spending an extra $10-20 Million on labor costs.
We can only hope they see the light. I figure AA is so wrapped up in the merger integration stuff the WOs have been able to sell them some golden BS this whole time. They won't be able to lie when the numbers start sucking.
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
You're probably right except you forgot to mention 20K for everyone, not just FOs. Captains are grossly under paid too. Currently, a three-year 76-seat captain makes half of what a three-year 99-seat captains makes. American E190 vs. PSA CRJ-900
I'm not denying that at all.

What I am saying is that I'd rather see an increased flow to mainline be the carrot for CAs, for two reasons:
- No amount of money is going to retain a CA if another Legacy offer comes along.
- Getting a mainline paycheck a year or two sooner has a hell of a lot more monetary value than a retention bonus at a regional.
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:29 PM
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Flow can be stopped. An increase in the pay scales can't.
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Flow can be stopped. An increase in the pay scales can't.
Kinda like CCP, right?

And once you're on at mainline, they don't send you back. At least if you don't fail training.
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:32 PM
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You really think manipulating the reserve grid to deny CCP is anything like violating a pay rate chart? Did you seriously go there? Where's the gray area in a pay chart?

Ask the jets for jobs guys about not going back......
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Old 03-06-2016 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
You really think manipulating the reserve grid to deny CCP is anything like violating a pay rate chart? Did you seriously go there?
What's the difference between violating Section 3 of the contract and violating Section 25 of the contract? Our recourse is still the same and we all know how long that takes........

Ask the jets for jobs guys about not going back......
True, but also highly unlikely given the upcoming retirement curve, unless the entire economy tanks.

Look, my main point is that the best solution to this problem is getting guys on and off property as quickly as possible.

It always amazes me how quickly regional pilots will try and protect their very small sandbox as much as possible. I'd rather make it easier to get to the bigger sandbox.
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