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03-06-2016, 01:43 PM
#1341
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Committing payroll fraud is a whole lot bigger than just violating the contract and dealing with arbitration.
Have you seen our economy?
I don't want to protect any sandbox. I want to blow it up and end the b-scale experiment.
Have you seen our economy?
I don't want to protect any sandbox. I want to blow it up and end the b-scale experiment.
03-06-2016, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Committing payroll fraud is a whole lot bigger than just violating the contract and dealing with arbitration.
Have you seen our economy?
I don't want to protect any sandbox. I want to blow it up and end the b-scale experiment.
03-06-2016, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
I will admit that the upcoming 18,000 retirements are almost a guarantee of movement, until the age is bumped to 70.
But that said, how many would actually stay til 70? Of those, how many would be able to? Something else to think about: how old are the flows, and how much are they going to add to that retirement curve?
03-06-2016, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 272922
Which is just kicking the can down the road, and I really hope ALPA fights that, but who am I kidding.......
But that said, how many would actually stay til 70? Of those, how many would be able to? Something else to think about: how old are the flows, and how much are they going to add to that retirement curve?
But that said, how many would actually stay til 70? Of those, how many would be able to? Something else to think about: how old are the flows, and how much are they going to add to that retirement curve?
We have a guy who is blind in one eye. Where there's a will, there's a way and a doctor willing to make a way.
I do have a suspicion the retirements will drive up the flows because of sheer need of pilots and the low supply.
03-06-2016, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Enough money and enough lobbyists from the airlines and 70 is easy.
- The jump from 65 to 70 won't be as beneficial to the airlines as 60 to 65 was.
- As "entry level" (meaning 50-76 seat aircraft, either at FFD or mainline carriers) pay goes up, and a path from that aircraft to larger aircraft becomes more defined, there's a lot of 91/135 guys that'll take the plunge.
I do have a suspicion the retirements will drive up the flows because of sheer need of pilots and the low supply.
03-06-2016, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 272922
I'm not denying that at all.
What I am saying is that I'd rather see an increased flow to mainline be the carrot for CAs, for two reasons:
- No amount of money is going to retain a CA if another Legacy offer comes along.
- Getting a mainline paycheck a year or two sooner has a hell of a lot more monetary value than a retention bonus at a regional.
What I am saying is that I'd rather see an increased flow to mainline be the carrot for CAs, for two reasons:
- No amount of money is going to retain a CA if another Legacy offer comes along.
- Getting a mainline paycheck a year or two sooner has a hell of a lot more monetary value than a retention bonus at a regional.
03-06-2016, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
Increased Captain pay would help with retention and recruiting more than you think. I accepted a job at a regional with the intentions of becoming a regional captain, not an FO. Starting as an FO is what had to happen first to gain the experience and seniority. Higher captain pay is attractive for prospective new hires and current FOs with their eyes set on becoming a captain. Make more money as a Captain while you wait for a Legacy to call or flow to American.
Again, 20K more a year ain't going to keep a CA at PSA when DAL, UAL, FDX, etc calls.
03-06-2016, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 272922
That's true, but two parallel thoughts:
- The jump from 65 to 70 won't be as beneficial to the airlines as 60 to 65 was.
- As "entry level" (meaning 50-76 seat aircraft, either at FFD or mainline carriers) pay goes up, and a path from that aircraft to larger aircraft becomes more defined, there's a lot of 91/135 guys that'll take the plunge.
The MEC Chair did make a comment during the last conference call about AA going 100% flow at some point. I should go back and listen to that again.....
- The jump from 65 to 70 won't be as beneficial to the airlines as 60 to 65 was.
- As "entry level" (meaning 50-76 seat aircraft, either at FFD or mainline carriers) pay goes up, and a path from that aircraft to larger aircraft becomes more defined, there's a lot of 91/135 guys that'll take the plunge.
The MEC Chair did make a comment during the last conference call about AA going 100% flow at some point. I should go back and listen to that again.....
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