SEPfield

Not at all. I've spent most of my career in the right seat, and I have no problem going back to it. I'll even sling gear for you if you want. I said I would not sit in the right seat of one of the lowest paid/poorest contract 2 leg commute regionals in the country. That is PSA.

daOldMan

The key to the airline industry is to get as much as you can when the time is good, and fight like hell to keep it when times are bad.

Right now, times are good, and regionals should be grabbing every improvement that they can. It can all change tomorrow. The market could crash, there could be another terrorist attack, or the 1500 hour could get repealed.

You may have a tiny amount of leverage right now, but it could be slipping away without you knowing it. When someone offers you something for nothing, take it. Don't be stupid. There were no concessions.

I'll say it again, when someone offers you something for nothing, take it.

Farmlover

You can come to endeavor. Over 50k first year upgrade fast then interview at delta. That sounds better

gold

see above . . .

Slick111

I don't think the union rejected this latest offer because they wanted to "deny" anything to any portion of the members. They rejected the offer because union realizes that (a) the playing field is now significantly tilted in our favor, (b) the company is on the ropes, and (c) that the company will likely come back (in short order) with a better offer - one that benefits all (or the majority) of our members.

Why do you think that the company came to us with an unsolicited offer to pay f/o's more money? Because they felt sorry for their hard-working, loyal, yet underpaid First Officers?!?!? Hell no! They did it because the company believes it would benefit THE COMPANY!!!

I voted against the last LOA, increasing the flow x 1, because I believed that the company needed to help themselves and was willing to offer more if we made them offer more. And the subsequent signing bonuses and latest unsolicited offer suggest that I was right. That LOA was agreed to, pushed, and passed by a different MEC who apparently believes that we should take whatever free scraps the company is willing to throw at us simply because they don't cost us anything. What they failed to see (or willfully ignored) is that the company needed to help THEMSELVES and they were willing to give us more,.... if we forced them to give us more.

In business, you never accept someone's first offer. Why did we accept the companies first offer last time? I'll let you answer that question your own way.


If the new MEC believed that the company was not willing or able to offer us something more substantial than limited bonuses for ONLY f/o's, I believe the MEC would have taken the company's latest offer. But clearly this MEC has learned from the mistakes of the previous MEC(s) and is holding out for a better deal - one that benefits all of us. We just have to be patient and let them play AAG's game.

gold

That's the price that guy will pay. He made a couple hundred bucks or more from the company by agreeing to make the video but lost a ton of respect from his co-workers. To each their own, I would never do it but I understand why he did. Maybe the company will make him a Line Check Airman now. We have a lot of Line Check Airman with only 500 hours in the left seat.

SEPfield

Sounds great to me. If PSA starts downgrading I'll be there. I may be coming anyway if there's not a drastic change in management attitude. Everyday is a conflict here

Otterbox

I was suprised to learn that SAP is only available to certain seniority tiers, that was disappointing. When can someone gain enough seniority to be in th privlidged tier?

6 year flow? Where are they getting that number? Seems like by using math, it's closer to 18-20 years (4/ month with 1000 people upto 8/month with 2000 people projected with a few declining to flow). If that's the case the hiring wave/ pilot shortage will be over by the time a junior FO gets a class date at AA.

c310pilot

You must be a round one line holder to SAP. Round two can only trip trade if the reserve levels are green but usually everything in open time is the garbage we dumped in round one. If you are reserve, well you are SOL. You need to be pretty senior to be a rd 1 captain in CLT/TYS

WakeWash

If you go back and read my post, I actually said I agree that we should fix the issue and not something short term as the bonus was an attempt to do. My issue was how our captains are acting. Now they want "all or no one," when they were more than happy to vote in that god awful flow that benefited only the top third of the list at best. And during that vote, the majority of FOs couldn't vote anyways, so they practically had no voice. I'm not saying I disagree with turning down the company's offer, my point is that our captains are acting childish and it's sad to watch.