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03-04-2016 | 06:39 AM
#1271
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From: C-150
If you go back and read my post, I actually said I agree that we should fix the issue and not something short term as the bonus was an attempt to do. My issue was how our captains are acting. Now they want "all or no one," when they were more than happy to vote in that god awful flow that benefited only the top third of the list at best. And during that vote, the majority of FOs couldn't vote anyways, so they practically had no voice. I'm not saying I disagree with turning down the company's offer, my point is that our captains are acting childish and it's sad to watch.
03-04-2016 | 06:40 AM
#1272
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Joined: Sep 2014
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If you go back and read my post, I actually said I agree that we should fix the issue and not something short term as the bonus was an attempt to do. My issue was how our captains are acting. Now they want "all or no one," when they were more than happy to vote in that god awful flow that benefited only the top third of the list at best. And during that vote, the majority of FOs couldn't vote anyways, so they practically had no voice. I'm not saying I disagree with turning down the company's offer, my point is that our captains are acting childish and it's sad to watch.
I think the all or no one is a small %. Mainly of the captains stated they want to fix current issues and make QOL better in addition to pay increases.
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03-04-2016 | 06:40 AM
#1273
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Joined: Feb 2012
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From: CRJ FO
I was suprised to learn that SAP is only available to certain seniority tiers, that was disappointing. When can someone gain enough seniority to be in th privlidged tier?
6 year flow? Where are they getting that number? Seems like by using math, it's closer to 18-20 years (4/ month with 1000 people upto 8/month with 2000 people projected with a few declining to flow). If that's the case the hiring wave/ pilot shortage will be over by the time a junior FO gets a class date at AA.
6 year flow? Where are they getting that number? Seems like by using math, it's closer to 18-20 years (4/ month with 1000 people upto 8/month with 2000 people projected with a few declining to flow). If that's the case the hiring wave/ pilot shortage will be over by the time a junior FO gets a class date at AA.
03-04-2016 | 06:41 AM
#1274
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Joined: Jun 2015
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If you go back and read my post, I actually said I agree that we should fix the issue and not something short term as the bonus was an attempt to do. My issue was how our captains are acting. Now they want "all or no one," when they were more than happy to vote in that god awful flow that benefited only the top third of the list at best. And during that vote, the majority of FOs couldn't vote anyways, so they practically had no voice. I'm not saying I disagree with turning down the company's offer, my point is that our captains are acting childish and it's sad to watch.
03-04-2016 | 06:54 AM
#1275
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 380
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From: East coast
If you go back and read my post, I actually said I agree that we should fix the issue and not something short term as the bonus was an attempt to do. My issue was how our captains are acting. Now they want "all or no one," when they were more than happy to vote in that god awful flow that benefited only the top third of the list at best. And during that vote, the majority of FOs couldn't vote anyways, so they practically had no voice. I'm not saying I disagree with turning down the company's offer, my point is that our captains are acting childish and it's sad to watch.
03-04-2016 | 06:59 AM
#1276
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Joined: May 2015
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Personally, I would say no to 20k without contract improvements .I wouldn't be happy about it, much like the FOs aren't happy today, but it's still not enough. PSA needs a contract that is in line with the other regionals.
First fix critical pay
Pay scales
4hr min day with no carve outs, including reserves call outs.
Commuter hotels
Cancellation pay and reschedules only allowed within the footprint of the original trip. I.e. Don't cancel my 1400 report and reschedule me for 0500.
This is just a start. These changes plus 20k puts us almost up to Endeavor level.
PSA can make these changes or they can just admit that AAG wants 3 Gojets and we can all start looking for better jobs.
First fix critical pay
Pay scales
4hr min day with no carve outs, including reserves call outs.
Commuter hotels
Cancellation pay and reschedules only allowed within the footprint of the original trip. I.e. Don't cancel my 1400 report and reschedule me for 0500.
This is just a start. These changes plus 20k puts us almost up to Endeavor level.
PSA can make these changes or they can just admit that AAG wants 3 Gojets and we can all start looking for better jobs.
03-04-2016 | 07:03 AM
#1277
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There reaches a point in a job that you are no more valuable to the company than you were the year before. You become worse after a certain point as opposed to better. Have you flown with a 25 year lifer at a regional? They are terrible.
The regionals are not supposed to be a career destination. That is made clear every day. There are some people, however, that are too lazy to move on. If you are over 6 years of seniority at a regional, get the hell out. Move on. Go elsewhere.
They should start decreasing pay after 8 years just to force you to go to a real airline or go and get a job at Menards. If you are stuck at a regional now with that much seniority, you should not be flying an airplane.
The regionals are not supposed to be a career destination. That is made clear every day. There are some people, however, that are too lazy to move on. If you are over 6 years of seniority at a regional, get the hell out. Move on. Go elsewhere.
They should start decreasing pay after 8 years just to force you to go to a real airline or go and get a job at Menards. If you are stuck at a regional now with that much seniority, you should not be flying an airplane.
03-04-2016 | 07:14 AM
#1278
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Joined: May 2012
Posts: 573
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From: 206
Not supporting a deal that benefits half the group is not childish. We could of taken 5K for everyone instead of 10K for FOs but the company said no because they know 5K for everyone won't fill new hire classes. The union would of said yes to 5K for everyone because it's free. The union represents everyone on the list, not just FOs. The company needs to fill new hire classes, hence the 10K bonus for FOs. By saying no, FOs will still soon get 10K annually and Captain will too, have some patience and respect the leverage we have.
03-04-2016 | 07:17 AM
#1279
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Not supporting a deal that benefits half the group is not childish. We could of taken 5K for everyone instead of 10K for FOs but the company said no because they know 5K for everyone won't fill new hire classes. The union would of said yes to 5K for everyone because it's free. The union represents everyone on the list, not just FOs. The company needs to fill new hire classes, hence the 10K bonus for FOs. By saying no, FOs will still soon get 10K annually and Captain will too, have some patience and respect the leverage we have.
03-04-2016 | 07:22 AM
#1280
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Joined: Feb 2012
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From: CRJ FO
Not supporting a deal that benefits half the group is not childish. We could of taken 5K for everyone instead of 10K for FOs but the company said no because they know 5K for everyone won't fill new hire classes. The union would of said yes to 5K for everyone because it's free. The union represents everyone on the list, not just FOs. The company needs to fill new hire classes, hence the 10K bonus for FOs. By saying no, FOs will still soon get 10K annually and Captain will too, have some patience and respect the leverage we have.
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