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Old 03-03-2016 | 04:31 PM
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There are FO's at PSA that really do have a hard time making ends meet. I know one FO that is hoping to upgrade soon because he needs to pay for braces for his daughter, and can not afford it on FO pay. There are other guys that are falling deeper and deeper into debt with student loans.

I get it, you guys are heartless and blame the FO for taking the job. Personally, I know that people are trying to work hard so that they can eventually have a good career and their kids will not have to sacrifice as much as they did.

I feel bad that the MEC is playing a game of Russian Roulette with the money that was being given to the FOs. I hope that it will work out for them, but I am not so sure. I would say that there is an 80% chance that it will backfire and the MEC will end up shooting themselves in the head.

The FO's will all be leaving soon for better jobs, and I just hope that I am senior enough now to prevent being downgraded. If we can not hire, and FO's start leaving at a higher rate than captains, we will have downgrades.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
That is where your argument is flawed, livable wage means something different to everyone. On first year pay I credited over 100 hrs every month to pay the bills, I didn't buy new iphones and sap down to 65 while traveling to Europe. Learn to budget like an adult or go to another place that pays more but either way stop complaining.
You assume every FO on first year pay has the opportunity to SAP?? Sure it's nice being able to sap.. but the majority if not all people on first year pay cannot sap. That's your 'flawed' argument..
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Old 03-03-2016 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchRapp
After all those things you listed and are passionate about it would only take an extra 500 bucks or so a month for you not to leave? Really? Endeavor is giving out 23k+ PER YEAR and you're this upset about not getting 20k OVER TWO YEARS? You think 20k over two years for current FO's solves the problem? If I were an FO I would be more upset with that lowball value placed on me more than I would be about the MEC telling them to pound sand.
It's more about principals, mgmt at PSA and our union. Add those up along with empty promises and time for departure. I have two interviews lined up and the word was that one company had talked to a few PSA pilots this week.

I do hope that if people do leave that impacts mgmt to help those that stay.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
There are FO's at PSA that really do have a hard time making ends meet. I know one FO that is hoping to upgrade soon because he needs to pay for braces for his daughter, and can not afford it on FO pay. There are other guys that are falling deeper and deeper into debt with student loans.

I get it, you guys are heartless and blame the FO for taking the job. Personally, I know that people are trying to work hard so that they can eventually have a good career and their kids will not have to sacrifice as much as they did.

I feel bad that the MEC is playing a game of Russian Roulette with the money that was being given to the FOs. I hope that it will work out for them, but I am not so sure. I would say that there is an 80% chance that it will backfire and the MEC will end up shooting themselves in the head.

The FO's will all be leaving soon for better jobs, and I just hope that I am senior enough now to prevent being downgraded. If we can not hire, and FO's start leaving at a higher rate than captains, we will have downgrades.
There have always been FOs that have trouble making ends meet. Most of us have commuted to reserve and slept in the crew rooms, we know how to make a can of tuna and some ramen last 3 days and we all know the FOs that qualify for food stamps. If this guy is an FO at PSA then he knew how it was going to be before he came here, just like we all did. If he was really that concerned about braces for his daughter he could try to get hired at endeavor where he would make nearly as much as a 1st year FO as he will as a reserve captain at PSA. He is making the choice to put his career progression ahead of his daughters braces. Also he is buying his daughter braces, he's not just saying "here's a mouth guard honey that will fix you for a few months and then in June we"ll take a look and see if you still really need braces" which is exactly what management just tried to do. The difference is management actually has the money to fix the problems here, they just don't want to.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by manney
You assume every FO on first year pay has the opportunity to SAP?? Sure it's nice being able to sap.. but the majority if not all people on first year pay cannot sap. That's your 'flawed' argument..
Even reserves can pick up open time at 125% and break guarantee, its not that difficult to figure out.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Even reserves can pick up open time at 125% and break guarantee, its not that difficult to figure out.
Yeah cause the reserve green is totally green and theres so much good open time to pick up... said noone ever.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Even reserves can pick up open time at 125% and break guarantee, its not that difficult to figure out.
Sounds great. So you want them to have 6 days off a month?
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Old 03-03-2016 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
Sounds great. So you want them to have 6 days off a month?
If they need the money bad enough they at least have the option. Its their choice whether they want the time off or money. I want them to have Endeavor type bonuses not less than half of that.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
Sounds great. So you want them to have 6 days off a month?

Are you affraid to work hard to make extra money?
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Old 03-03-2016 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
Nope. And if given he choice, they will go deliver pizzas instead, and you will be downgraded back to the right seat.

If you **** off all of the new people, and then give them a chance to vote against you, the company will put an offer out that will screw you and they will take it in retribution.

Cut the top peoples pay by 40% and give it to the year 1-5 guys? Sure! There are more guys on year 1-5 pay than there are on year 12 pay.
Generation ME!!!!!
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