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04-13-2016, 06:09 PM
#2211
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 394
Originally Posted by WakeWash
This petty bickering between the WOs is getting really old. We are all being played against each other and it's so obvious. But it's covered up by this stupid arguing and fighting that AAG is loving it and benefiting from it. Our MEC chairs have figured this out and are finally starting to work together for the better. Why can't the pilot groups realize this and quit the BS, and finally start coming together and backing each other up for once. Be the difference and make it start happening, now. Otherwise pilots will continue to lose while everyone else wins.
Agreed. It's kind of embarrassing reading some of my fellow Envoy pilots rooting for bad things to happen at other airlines. It's trashy and unbecoming. It's time to stop the blame game and band together. The past is in the past. The future will be better for all the WO's of we work together. Much easier said than done, as you can see by the emotions on display in this thread.
04-13-2016, 07:38 PM
#2212
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 869
Originally Posted by WakeWash
This petty bickering between the WOs is getting really old. We are all being played against each other and it's so obvious. But it's covered up by this stupid arguing and fighting that AAG is loving it and benefiting from it. Our MEC chairs have figured this out and are finally starting to work together for the better. Why can't the pilot groups realize this and quit the BS, and finally start coming together and backing each other up for once. Be the difference and make it start happening, now. Otherwise pilots will continue to lose while everyone else wins.
04-13-2016, 08:32 PM
#2213
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 206
Originally Posted by spaaks
If you're not a psa pilot, disregard, but if you are, are you f-ing serious? Everyone was tying to band together years ago when the psa pilot group sold all regional pilots out knowing exactly what they were doing. And now that you're quick upgradezzzzz isn't working out as planned you want to band together? Go f yourself. You made your bed, now it's time to lay in it
04-13-2016, 08:34 PM
#2214
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,205
Originally Posted by spaaks
If you're not a psa pilot, disregard, but if you are, are you f-ing serious? Everyone was tying to band together years ago when the psa pilot group sold all regional pilots out knowing exactly what they were doing. And now that you're quick upgradezzzzz isn't working out as planned you want to band together? Go f yourself. You made your bed, now it's time to lay in it
Now that the times are not that good, you guys want to stick together?
04-13-2016, 09:16 PM
#2215
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,239
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
This a million of times! Envoy FOs lost about $80k waiting for upgrade for two years, because PSA voted yes.
Now that the times are not that good, you guys want to stick together?
Now that the times are not that good, you guys want to stick together?
Where are the stats on this?
How many 145's were given away to other carriers.
We have 12 or less of your crappy planes that weren't apart of the deal that was signed. No one knew.
Y'all signed your contract for more shiny jets too and your industry leading retention bonus with a "me too" clause for when we get something better.
04-13-2016, 09:32 PM
#2216
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,205
Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus
Where are the stats on this?
How many 145's were given away to other carriers.
We have 12 or less of your crappy planes that weren't apart of the deal that was signed. No one knew.
Y'all signed your contract for more shiny jets too and your industry leading retention bonus with a "me too" clause for when we get something better.
How many 145's were given away to other carriers.
We have 12 or less of your crappy planes that weren't apart of the deal that was signed. No one knew.
Y'all signed your contract for more shiny jets too and your industry leading retention bonus with a "me too" clause for when we get something better.
15 to Xjet = 97.5 CA seats
15 TSA = 97.5 CA seats
12 PSA = 78 CA seats
20 Compass = 130 CA seats
3 PDT so far = 19.5 CA seat
Total = 422.5 CA Seats lost since Jan 2014
With those numbers all the guys until about half of 2011 hires were supposed to be CAs by 2013. Which it also match the 2012 PSA guys that are CAs now...
All because PSA couldn't stand together. It was a snow ball effect related to the contract war between AAG and envoy fighting to keep the BK contract.
What all this accomplished? A couple of things...
-as the envoy pilots said before, neither TSA, RAH, PSA, PDT can't staff the flying. It took 2 years and pilot shuffling from regional to regional, but is here.
- AAG loss 1,200 pilots between flow, guys moving to other regionals and LCC at envoy.
- AAG now is giving money for people to come at us + the retention bonus. Also the money they still own 3/4 of the FOs here (5k in 2017, by the 2014 contract).
-AAG moving flying back to envoy, due to others unable to staff their contracts.
-People preffering to go RAH, Mesa, TSA, Commutair. Instead of coming at PSA/PDT/ENY.
04-14-2016, 04:44 AM
#2217
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Position: king air
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by WakeWash
This petty bickering between the WOs is getting really old. We are all being played against each other and it's so obvious. But it's covered up by this stupid arguing and fighting that AAG is loving it and benefiting from it. Our MEC chairs have figured this out and are finally starting to work together for the better. Why can't the pilot groups realize this and quit the BS, and finally start coming together and backing each other up for once. Be the difference and make it start happening, now. Otherwise pilots will continue to lose while everyone else wins.
04-14-2016, 05:09 AM
#2218
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by spaaks
This makes me happy. You pieces of hot garbage at psa deserve every raw dog deal you get
04-14-2016, 05:11 AM
#2219
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
as someone who took a job with a regional that has an awful reputation for screwing over other pilots, where do you fall in?
04-14-2016, 05:13 AM
#2220
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
I don't care about the PSA reputation with other regionals. They're just the latest to "undermine the industry" just like every other regional has done. I'll let you in on a secret, no one at the majors care where you came from. The HR people doing the hiring really don't care. You're not in high school anymore.
I wanted a East Coast airline with cheap bases. PSA was on par when I started here and I held a line out of IOE. No one else could offer that. I'm here to adjust from military flying to 121 flying and with a few more hours I'll move on. But you stay wrapped up in the drama. Call me a whiner, couldn't care less. It just highlights your lack of reading comprehension. And no, there's more to the spectrum than just the extreme of old geezer, which you try to portray with all your newbie comments, and a young snot nosed insecure kids, such as yourself. Maybe if you quit trying to be something you're not on an anonymous forum, people wouldn't assume the wrong thing. Try not calling people newbie until you've been out of mom and dad's house for at least 10 years and have adulted for at least 5.
I wanted a East Coast airline with cheap bases. PSA was on par when I started here and I held a line out of IOE. No one else could offer that. I'm here to adjust from military flying to 121 flying and with a few more hours I'll move on. But you stay wrapped up in the drama. Call me a whiner, couldn't care less. It just highlights your lack of reading comprehension. And no, there's more to the spectrum than just the extreme of old geezer, which you try to portray with all your newbie comments, and a young snot nosed insecure kids, such as yourself. Maybe if you quit trying to be something you're not on an anonymous forum, people wouldn't assume the wrong thing. Try not calling people newbie until you've been out of mom and dad's house for at least 10 years and have adulted for at least 5.
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