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Old 03-03-2016 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyguyT88
See, this is a horrible mindset. We are NOT a "foe" to the company. I'm here to make a living doing what I like to do. The company is here to make a profit offering a service. We should work together for our mutual benefit instead of the adversarial mentality you have.
You are awfully naive if you think the company considers us anything other than a roadblock on their path to profit. In other words............... a "foe".
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
Exactly. I know some of the FOs aren't happy and I understand that but you are no worse off than you were before.
I don't understand why you're not more angry about the insult from the company. They have basically just told you that you are worth less than half of what an endeavor pilot is worth. In addition to that, if they would stop manipulating the reserves and restore critical pay, you would probably be making more than $2,500 per quarter anyway. They basically tried to bribe you with money they took out of your pocket.

Also this move is good for your advancement. I think a lot of captains who made have been waiting for the flow (or more likely Delta or United) under the false assumption that things may eventually improve here are now strongly considering a move to spirit,jetblue, frontier or southwest.

With the exception those FOs that live in base I can't for the life of me understand why any FO with less than a year in this company is still here.
Most people are mad because ya the offer was low but it's free money. Every one agrees it isn't enough to get new people j. so why wouldn't we take the money offered to the people already here. Every one thinks they will come offer so much more but why would they. In what world do we have CAs waiting around for it to get better instead of going to JetBlue or Southwest. That describes zero people at PSA. There are CAs waiting to flow, CAs not flowing and CAs with no other offers. No CA is going any where any quicker than if they were offered a $20,000 raise. No one is saying hold on southwest I was considering you but PSA just gave me $20,000 so I may stay. 4 upgrades last class... Sounds like they are ok on CAs.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:05 PM
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The ****tier the FO's at PSA have it, the more leverage the pilot group will have. This negotiation will most likely be a long drawn out one, I cant see both parties reaching an agreement. I'll be impressed with this MEC come June when they give the company another **** you by rejecting flow agreements.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:21 PM
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You guys are doing great, keep up the good work
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:25 PM
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Yeah make it super hard to get pilots so they buy Air Wisconsin and merge seniority lists and everyone gets screwed. American can't bend over for one regional because it has to for the other two. If we keep making it hard for them they will just make us hurt. We don't have near as much leverage as we think we do. We can either take consistent small gains or suffer for a long time and eventually get a decent contract. Upgrades are gone anyone hired in the last year got screwed.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:29 PM
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after a while you dont feel the pain, you are numb to it so you can inflict more harm to aag easily.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by manney
The ****tier the FO's at PSA have it, the more leverage the pilot group will have. This negotiation will most likely be a long drawn out one, I cant see both parties reaching an agreement. I'll be impressed with this MEC come June when they give the company another **** you by rejecting flow agreements.
Reread what you just wrote out loud and hopefully you'll see how horrible it sounds. Make our FOs suffer more so that the guys making decent wages can also benefit. You said right after that that you don't think they will reach an agreement so why make the FOs suffer if the company won't make an agreement?
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies67
Yeah make it super hard to get pilots so they buy Air Wisconsin and merge seniority lists and everyone gets screwed. American can't bend over for one regional because it has to for the other two. If we keep making it hard for them they will just make us hurt. We don't have near as much leverage as we think we do. We can either take consistent small gains or suffer for a long time and eventually get a decent contract. Upgrades are gone anyone hired in the last year got screwed.
I don't think we'll be merged anytime soon. It would make more sense to send the airplanes to another carrier and start the whipsaw over again than to merge. If we aren't going to be the cheap reliable feed that AAG wants, they WILL send the airplanes elsewhere.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:39 PM
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Sounds like a lose lose situation.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by YNWA1892
Reread what you just wrote out loud and hopefully you'll see how horrible it sounds. Make our FOs suffer more so that the guys making decent wages can also benefit. You said right after that that you don't think they will reach an agreement so why make the FOs suffer if the company won't make an agreement?
I dont think the company and MEC will make a timely agreement, I think it will be drawn out.. and the FO's will suffer.

This is all speculation obviously..
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