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Old 03-03-2016 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Endeavor started with $20k a year for everyone. The union has to represent all members, not just one group. Go somewhere else if you want your bonus and free hotels. Would you like it if only captains got a bonus?

If it was offered, would bother me. Wouldn't fix anything, Just like this wouldn't have. Definitely would have not turned them down. Captains got their bonus in a form of a flow. Flow means nothing to the bottom third of the list.


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Old 03-03-2016 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by IceManCRJ
If it was offered, would bother me. Wouldn't fix anything, Just like this wouldn't have. Definitely would have not turned them down. Captains got their bonus in a form of a flow. Flow means nothing to the bottom third of the list.


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And that flow makes you move up in seniority
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Old 03-03-2016 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by IceManCRJ
If it was offered, would bother me. Wouldn't fix anything, Just like this wouldn't have. Definitely would have not turned them down. Captains got their bonus in a form of a flow. Flow means nothing to the bottom third of the list.


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What about the captains in the bottom third of the list? And who are you to say the flow is good enough for me and I should be happy with it while a bunch of FOs who don't even pay ALPA dues get a bonus? I don't think so. That is not how unions work. I've been on first year FO pay three times in my career and never would I have expected a bonus that wasn't paid out to every fellow union member. Like I said if you don't like it vote with your feet, I certainly have many times before.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 09:52 AM
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We all know what happened and why. The leverage the union thinks there holding will only last until the airline goes steady state which is a moving target.
The fix was temporary because the problem is temporary. The union is just making noise because of jealousy.
They can easily turn up the flow when they reach steady state and give the FO's a retention bonus. I suspect it will be passed all in one package next time.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Wow you know that the company would have been back in 3 months? You should join the NC since you have valuable inside knowledge. Well maybe now they'll be back in 2 months according to your logic so just have some patience or get your app into Endeavor.
Well if it's not enough as every one seems to agree why wouldn't they be back? But it's not going to be to offer current pilots any more just new hires. Why would they offer us any thing more when we said no to what they offered and we're not leaving?
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Old 03-03-2016 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
What about the captains in the bottom third of the list? And who are you to say the flow is good enough for me and I should be happy with it while a bunch of FOs who don't even pay ALPA dues get a bonus? I don't think so. That is not how unions work. I've been on first year FO pay three times in my career and never would I have expected a bonus that wasn't paid out to every fellow union member. Like I said if you don't like it vote with your feet, I certainly have many times before.
Uh well your making captain wages, your and logging TPIC time. If your at the bottom and complain this much your likely a reject pilot from some crap turboprop operation.
Most of the guys from jet airlines have excellent resumes and are aggressive individuals who will likely beat many of the more senior PSA captains to mainline.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
I've been on first year FO pay three times in my career and never would I have expected a bonus that wasn't paid out to every fellow union member. Like I said if you don't like it vote with your feet, I certainly have many times before.

How's that career strategy working out for ya?!
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Old 03-03-2016 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
Uh well your making captain wages, your and logging TPIC time. If your at the bottom and complain this much your likely a reject pilot from some crap turboprop operation.
Most of the guys from jet airlines have excellent resumes and are aggressive individuals who will likely beat many of the more senior PSA captains to mainline.
I hope you found someone to proofread your airlineapps account.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
What about the captains in the bottom third of the list? And who are you to say the flow is good enough for me and I should be happy with it while a bunch of FOs who don't even pay ALPA dues get a bonus? I don't think so. That is not how unions work. I've been on first year FO pay three times in my career and never would I have expected a bonus that wasn't paid out to every fellow union member. Like I said if you don't like it vote with your feet, I certainly have many times before.
So far senior CAs have gotten a flow and the junior CAs got a quick upgrade. Now our FOs got a QOL increase and our senior guys said no because they wanted some too. You say you left other places and I'm assuming because of QOL issues? You if all people should understand that a lot of people could have used that money and two that clearly regionals don't like to keep offering their pilots better stuff or you would be at your original regional with a better contract.
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Old 03-03-2016 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
How's that career strategy working out for ya?!
Pretty good thanks for asking, esecially now that I'm not an 8 year FO. Still glad I didn't go to Eagle 10 years ago.
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