NMuir

Regarding the deer incident, it was after V1 I am assuming?

There was obviously damage to the wing as it was leaking fuel on the landing.


My question is this (and I currently fly a 172)....


Obviously after V1 if you abort you're going to end up in the dirt or the trees. However, if something damages your wing on the roll, would getting airborne also be hazardous due to the potential of catastrophic damage to the airframe from the strike?

In other words, is it better to knowingly put it into the dirt or trees instead of risk getting airborne and having no control?


In this situation they did the right thing because the damage was not catastrophic and they were able to make a go-around. But what if the wing had been damaged to the point of not being flyable?


I am curious and would like to learn more.

JayBee

If I came off that way I didn't mean it to.

Just trying to say - paying attention in class and doing a normal amount of studying and not overloading yourself is more than adequate.

Nyflier

I don't know the details, but consider this...did they see the deer? Did they even know they hit a deer (I'm sure they felt something)? Did they think it was possibly something else, like a blown tire?

In the split second that it happened, it would be impossible recognize what happened, assess the damage (damage that was not visible to them), and determine if it warranted rejecting the takeoff after V1 (something they are trained not to do except in the extremest of circumstances).

It's very easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Leave that to the media and their "experts".

Edit: I just re-read this and it sounded a little harsh at the end. My disdain is for the media.

frankgh

Hindsight shows that if they had tried to reject the takeoff, it would have ended horribly. This reaffirmed the training.

Slick111

Not sure what your assertion is here but just to be clear neither pilot saw the deer. They heard a loud bang and thought that they may have blown a tire. It's my understanding that they also received a "flap fail" indication when they went to retract the flaps. It wasn't until ATC advised them that a subsequent aircraft, on takeoff, reported a dead deer on the runway that they became aware that they MAY have hit a deer. And even THEN, they didn't know what was damaged or IF there was any damage. They certainly didn't know that the wing was damaged or that they were losing fuel. An interesting note here: the airplane reportedly handled/flew perfectly normally with the damaged right wing, so I can only guess that the crew had no reason to believe that ANY portion of the airframe had been severely damaged or that they were losing fuel. It should also be noted that the crew actually did a tower fly-by so someone could take a look at the gear prior to landing, which suggests to me that the crew was still of the mindset that they had a tire/gear problem.

For those of you who have never flown a CRJ, it's worth noting that neither pilot can see either wing (or landing gear) from the flight deck. The only portion of the wing that they can possibly see is the winglet, and even THAT is difficult. So there was no way for the pilots to see that the wing was damaged and fuel was leaking, from the cockpit, if that was your assertion.


My guess is that the headlines would be much more grave and a lot of family and friends would be grief stricken today.

twind

I am going to training soon and just looking for advice as to which base would be best to pursue, as new FO all things considered, ( QOL, schedule, short reserve, etc) I happen to live more or less equal dist from Knox, Cincy, Charlotte. I did read FO being assigned to DCA. Any advice sure is welcome. I like th eidea of TYS since I have family and friends there, but do not want to make wrong career decision ,
THANK YOU

baldrick

where you end up being based won't affect your career. bid for the base that works best for you. if you don't like it you can change your base bid later. It's all seniority based anyway.

twind

Thank you.... So I guess moving from one base to another is not uncommon. Just wondering from TYS, is it mostly flying to Charlotte first.

TallFlyer

If you're equidistant to CLT, CVG, and TYS, take CVG. You'll be off reserve much quicker and have more control over your schedule.

idlethrust

This is your first 121 flying gig I'm sure.This is a forum buddy, which means open discussion, dialogue, various opinions on a wide range of topics.So if I want to post in 50 different threads, so what, that's what this is for.
If you're proud to be at Psa I'm happy for you Gilmore. If you're proud to walk through the ghetto in clt known as the e gates, so be it lol.
Walk through there with your head high and shoulders back,let the world know you're proud of psa.
A lot of of things happened with this industry because of psa .
So by all means carry on.