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Old 12-31-2015 | 03:25 PM
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What is the supposed end number that PSA is trying to reach? 2500? If there are 1200 there now, and supposedly hiring 1000 in 2016, then 400 a year after that (according to a quote on the FB page), whats the end number?

What is the "normal" attrition rate, aside from the flow? 50 a year?
Attrition outside of the flow is typically between 10-12 per month.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
What is the supposed end number that PSA is trying to reach? 2500? If there are 1200 there now, and supposedly hiring 1000 in 2016, then 400 a year after that (according to a quote on the FB page), whats the end number?

What is the "normal" attrition rate, aside from the flow? 50 a year?
1000 in 2016 seems awfully high. That's almost 100/month, after busts. Maybe PSA can get 20. But most likely 15 a month.
So hiring in 2016 would be 240 at most.
And attrition being 100-120.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 04:05 PM
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1000 in 2016 seems awfully high. That's almost 100/month, after busts. Maybe PSA can get 20. But most likely 15 a month.
So hiring in 2016 would be 240 at most.
And attrition being 100-120.
I'm optimistic that 400 - 600 is doable. However, they are going to have to sweeten the pot by addressing our current pay if they want to attract even that.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
What is the supposed end number that PSA is trying to reach? 2500? If there are 1200 there now, and supposedly hiring 1000 in 2016, then 400 a year after that (according to a quote on the FB page), whats the end number?

What is the "normal" attrition rate, aside from the flow? 50 a year?
I'd say attrition is around 100 - 150 /year from both th CAs and the FOs. More FOs currently leaving than CAs. I think the flow has made anyone within 2 or 3 years of flowing rethink going elsewhere. Many FOs have been leaving for LCCs, legacies, corporate etc.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 04:13 PM
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totally avoided his question
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Old 12-31-2015 | 04:14 PM
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Well we have a new contract. Signed in 2013. If the company wants to sweeten the deal for new hires they are going to have to negotiate pay raises for all. We are unionized. You can't just arbitrarily give increases in wages to one part of the pilot group.
In 2014 the company forced us to a 12 year pay cap. Making it the worst in the industry. They cheat with our critical pay and are dishonest with the reserve grid. We rarely get paid properly. These items need to be fixed prior to any negotiations for increases in first year pay. The pilots on property need to be taken care of first. Management made this mess by being greedy and paying low wages for the past 15 years. Let them sweat trying to find labor.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I'd say attrition is around 100 - 150 etc.
No way it's that low. Just look at a seniority list and compare the most junior pilot from one month to the next. Last time I did that several months ago it was 17. That number will only get bigger in 2016. I bet 240 for 2016 is more accurate.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I'm optimistic that 400 - 600 is doable. However, they are going to have to sweeten the pot by addressing our current pay if they want to attract even that.
When you say sweeten the pot, what do you have in mind? We need a pay scale equivalent or better than Republic's to get those numbers or a retention bonus equivalent or better than Endeavor's. Do you really think that will happen? I hope so but highly doubt it. The better paying Regionals will scoop up all the pilots and PSA is not one.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gold
When you say sweeten the pot, what do you have in mind? We need a pay scale equivalent or better than Republic's to get those numbers or a retention bonus equivalent or better than Endeavor's. Do you really think that will happen? I hope so but highly doubt it. The better paying Regionals will scoop up all the pilots and PSA is not one.
I think a payscale starting at $35 /hour first year FO pay would do the trick just fine. That combined with a commuter clause offering 4 hotels a month and another commutable hub base would probably solve that problem.
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Old 12-31-2015 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I think a payscale starting at $35 /hour first year FO pay would do the trick just fine. That combined with a commuter clause offering 4 hotels a month and another commutable hub base would probably solve that problem.
None of those changes help me or many of the current line pilots so I would vote no on that. Since AAG needed to match Endeavor's bankruptcy contract and 12/4 so bad they can now match Endeavor's $20,000/year bonus and other contract gains. The world has changed.
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