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Old 04-26-2016, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchRapp View Post
If there is no language then how is it a violation? I think this was just yet another critical union oversight. If there is no language the company can do as they wish.
We fly the contract. If there is nothing in the contract, we don't have to do it. There is no language discussing perdiem or accommodations for a pilot sitting reserve in a base that is not their own. Not in the contract, not obligated to comply.
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Old 04-27-2016, 02:24 AM
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We fly the contract. If there is nothing in the contract, we don't have to do it. There is no language discussing perdiem or accommodations for a pilot sitting reserve in a base that is not their own. Not in the contract, not obligated to comply.
Perdiem is paid any time a pilot is away from base on company business and lodging is provided in that same scenario, regardless of assignment.
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Old 04-27-2016, 02:35 AM
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The chief pilots and union both agreed this is legal for the company to do it. So for someone on probation what do you expect them to do?
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:12 AM
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You again? Please show me where I ever said I applied for chief pilot. Chief pilots here have nothing to do with management other than being their muscle. I have only ever talked about Union committees but with your reading comprehension, I'm not surprised you were confused. I'm 40 years old and my life experience far exceeds anything your mom and dad let you do in their basement. Consider this our last interaction troll. Run along and be happy you have the Internet to be tough. We both know you'd wet yourself in real life.
Here is your response to my post asking if you had applied for the open CP positions. You claim you applied and didn't get a call back:

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Sorry your career hasn't gone like you planned it. Haven't invested? LOL just shows how myopic your views are. AA has invested in airplanes, simulators and infrastructure for PSA, I'd guess more than a Billion. You are foolish if you believe AA will let PSA fail. AA late with matching 1st year? yes, can't argue that but they will come around and become competitive.
Since you have such strong opinions about management, did you apply for either of the Chief Pilot positions that are open?

My career is going just fine. I've volunteered but since I'm not the "right type of guy" I didn't get a call back. Not interested in helping bail out this company. I'll get my time, with my military background and move along. AA has invested a lot but a little bit of paint and some new signs and PSA goes away but AA gets to keep THEIR investment. They invested a lot in Envoy too but that didn't stop them from giving away the aircraft. Since you're such a cheerleader and think this management is amazing, did you apply? They're always looking for new yes men.
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:24 AM
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Biggz, Mitchrapp

Why don't you guys just ask the PSA union, screen name 272922. He's a regular on this forum and is accustomed to addressing these kinds of issues right here openly, but you have to ask him. He is on record here saying the union will back you for a variety of issues.

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Old 04-27-2016, 05:31 AM
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If my recollection serves me correctly it was 17 in January and we are at 24 for May.
Then I stand corrected. But still very little growth.
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
Where was Alpa national looking out for the pilots, seems national will burn any regional pilot group at will.
Are you suggesting to turn over all contract negotiations to ALPA national? Let them be in charge of negotiating your pay rates, reserve and everything else?
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:37 AM
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Are you suggesting to turn over all contract negotiations to ALPA national? Let them be in charge of negotiating your pay rates, reserve and everything else?
How could it be any worse? You've got 26 year old amateurs doing it now. The pilot's job is to tell the negotiators what they want. The negotiators pursue that. The pilots decide to accept or reject what the negotiators came up with. If it's rejected, the negotiators are usually replaced unless its very close. Why not begin the entire process with a group that is more experienced. There is no point in making the same mistakes that ASA/Expressjet made just very recently ie negotiating more years then the length of the contract itself (and then in the end trashing the entire process and settling for an extension only).
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:57 AM
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How could it be any worse? You've got 26 year old amateurs doing it now. The pilot's job is to tell the negotiators what they want. The negotiators pursue that. The pilots decide to accept or reject what the negotiators came up with. If it's rejected, the negotiators are usually replaced unless its very close. Why not begin the entire process with a group that is more experienced. There is no point in making the same mistakes that ASA/Expressjet made just very recently ie negotiating more years then the length of the contract itself (and then in the end trashing the entire process and settling for an extension only).
Mistakes weren't made. ASA MEC had/has no desire to see a merger with XJT. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt of not possibly knowing that unless you're part of the company. It was quite the work-around when one side has no motivation to budge. Yes, XJT voted on and passed an extension with small gains, but without any concessions. PSA should take notes and learn a little. Maybe next vote you won't take less money to fly bigger planes.
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by loc n slope View Post
Mistakes weren't made. ASA MEC had/has no desire to see a merger with XJT. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt of not possibly knowing that unless you're part of the company. It was quite the work-around when one side has no motivation to budge. Yes, XJT voted on and passed an extension with small gains, but without any concessions. PSA should take notes and learn a little. Maybe next vote you won't take less money to fly bigger planes.
Just the same, its best that adults handle the real work.
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