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Old 03-01-2016 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Just fyi info from the PSA ALPA conference call yesteday: in 2017 AA is not planning on any non flow OTS new hires, 100% will be flows from Envoy, PDT, PSA.
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
"The plan" until they realize they'll gut their own feed and then they will go after every one else's pilots.

We need fixed now not pie in the sky dreams later.
At some point, the plan could be to operate 170/175s and 700/900s on mainline lists. Ultimately that's probably where we're headed, it's just a matter of how one gets there.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 01:00 PM
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One can only hope the profits and numbers encourage that. I think they're going to ride the cheap train until the bitter end.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
Also for any prospective low - no 121 time guys considering PSA for a quick upgrade or flow take a look at the numbers.

PSA has 1200 pilots, we have upgraded 4 so far in 2016. At this rate that means approximately 50 upgrades in 2016. There are approximately 600 FOs on property, even if by some miracle they start upgrading 100 a year, that is still 5+ years to upgrade.

1200 pilots, PSA flows 5 per month, that number will not increase in 2016 since we are "adequately staffed" Flow is 10+ years away, IF it even exist in 10 years.

Yes PSA did double in size over a short period of time and the quick upgrade did exist for a while, but that time is over. At this time PSA is losing more pilots per month that they can get hired and they are deferring aircraft deliveries. The growth has all but stopped and all PSA and AA have managed/cared to do about it is throw out some empty promise.

Find a regional that has the easiest commute because there is nothing here at PSA worth commuting for.
That's exactly what everybody said would happen when you voted in this stupid flow. Pilots undercutting for the sake of a flow that may or may not increase while management plays you like a fiddle in 2016.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 01:12 PM
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No one is getting played. We have a management team that has either been castrated by AA or they are complete baffoons who couldn't make the most basic decisions to keep the growth momentum going. No one came for the flow.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dynasty22
That's exactly what everybody said would happen when you voted in this stupid flow. Pilots undercutting for the sake of a flow that may or may not increase while management plays you like a fiddle in 2016.
Any way PSA voted it wasn't going to matter, we were going to end up here anyway, at an airline that is going to have difficulty staffing until management figures out that that the flow isn't going to get people to sit on the bottom of a 1200 person list at $25/hour. This isn't 2014 any more.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 01:33 PM
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Envoy just announced a retention bonus that equals $20k after 2 years of pay outs. Wonder if we're going to be as lucky? It'll be better than nothing but still not as much as what others have been doing for a while now.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Envoy just announced a retention bonus that equals $20k after 2 years of pay outs. Wonder if we're going to be as lucky? It'll be better than nothing but still not as much as what others have been doing for a while now.
W T F we get? I forgot, we have short upgrade and shiny jets.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Envoy just announced a retention bonus that equals $20k after 2 years of pay outs. Wonder if we're going to be as lucky? It'll be better than nothing but still not as much as what others have been doing for a while now.
But it is only for FOs. I heard rumors that PSA management came to the union and asked for something similar, but because it didn't include retention bonuses for CAs, the union said hell no. Could just be a rumor though...
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Old 03-01-2016 | 02:26 PM
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But it is only for FOs. I heard rumors that PSA management came to the union and asked for something similar, but because it didn't include retention bonuses for CAs, the union said hell no. Could just be a rumor though...
It is just a rumor, there have been zero negotiations up to this point. PSA management feels they are staffed well enough for 2016.
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Old 03-01-2016 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
But it is only for FOs. I heard rumors that PSA management came to the union and asked for something similar, but because it didn't include retention bonuses for CAs, the union said hell no. Could just be a rumor though...
This rumor started with PSA. Surely PSA and PDT must have something similar in the works.
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