You don't need hiring bonuses. You need to make this place a good place to work at. I've spent all 3 overnights within 1 mile of the airport. With limited food options and things to do.
Start making this a better place to work at and you won't have a problem with retention and hiring new people. Hey, maybe try following the contract for a change too.

Hey management. You listening?

Didn't think so.

 

Sounds like you got a retention email, please don't quit.

 

Am I reading all this right? The same
a-holes that voted themselves a quick upgrade for 12&4 are now pumping the brakes because it didn't include captains.

 

I find it very disheartening when I receive an email from PSA management, (V.P.Ops.) advising me that they have arranged a meeting for today in Herndon to discuss "the same incentives which were agreed to at Envoy earlier today",........ but I don't receive a notice from my union to advise me of the same.

Very disheartening. Very discouraging. Very concerning. Very disturbing.

 

Usually this stuff is kept secret until the NC has something to present to the pilots. The management team sent the email to try and get the FOs to support the bonus which of course our leadership does not because it doesn't include bonuses for CAs. They are hoping FOs will be vocal about it and email their reps and the NC etc. Don't be dense. Management needs this more than we do. There is a reason they aren't wanting to include CAs in the bonus. I say Endeavor or better or nothing.

 

Let me translate this for you.

You are upset because PSA pilots "gave up" 12/4, which they knew didn't matter. No pilots will be affected by 12/4 unless they choose to make their career at PSA (which shows that they have mental problems to be a lifer at a regional).

In return, PSA got a better contract, and knew that AAG would have to return to the table in a short amount of time to improve things anyways.

It seems like PSA MEC played this game pretty well, and you are jealous about it.

PSA got a good contract (that unfortunately isn't followed by management) and didn't have to give up anything of value to get it. AAG played Envoy, Envoy lost, are jealous, and they somehow still can't see it.

 

No. Those "a-holes" that voted in 12/4 in 2013 (different industry just three years ago) are the minority here. Not the same pilot group.


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Yea, except the pilot group didn't vote on anything and wasent told anything. Are saying the entire union is made up of 2014 hires? Sounds like it's exactly the same crowd that the votes yes now thinks it isn't "fair" never seen a larger group of *****s.

 

In other words, my union reps don't care what I think. They're just going to tell me what I'm getting. Why tell the pilot group what topics are being discussed/negotiated and encourage their input PRIOR to the negotiations.

Hell, they just had a call-in conference. Was any of this discussed and feedback solicited from the pilot group, as a whole? Maybe we should expect to learn more about our future pay from facebook.


Let's be clear here. The Envoy "hiring and retention bonus" program will NOT benefit any pilots currently employed at Envoy. Nor will it benefit any pilots currently employed at PSA, if adopted. This program is solely and entirely aimed at pilots who are currently employed at OTHER 121 CARRIERS!!!!! NOT CURRENT PSA OR ENVOY FIRST OFFICERS (or Captains)!!!

Here's the language, directly from Envoy's ad: (with my emphasis added)
"Envoy will now offer up to $10,000 for **NEW HIRE** pilots who have Part 121 commercial air carrier experience. In return for a two-year commitment to Envoy,...."