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Old 04-05-2016 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Slick111
On a slightly different topic, for years I've heard how bad the Mesa contract is but I've never taken the time to look for details of their contract here on APC. Well, this morning I took a look at it. Do yourself a favor and look at it. It's AWFUL!!

Here's my point; the fact that Mesa continues to outperform PSA in attracting new hire pilots, given the abomination of a contract that they have,....... says something about PSA!
The only tangible differences to the uneducated, outside observer are:
1) Under wing engines. Not going to happen at PSA.
2) Fast upgrades, although that ship has most likely sailed at MESA, despite all their flashy online marketing and their website.
3) Bases. All very commutable. PSA needs to figure this out.
4) iPads. I have no doubt that we'll soon see another FB marketing campaign touting iPads in the cockpit at PSA, and without cost to the pilot no less.

As far as pay, etc, PSA wins those categories hands down. Their health insurance premiums are ENORMOUS as well.

And dare I suggest that they grow a pair and start standing up to Dougie, ...... instead of joining him in his "group-think", circle-jerk sessions.
Well, at the very least we have pilots willing to do that.

When we begin to hear about individual PSA management members leaving PSA to "pursue other interests",..... we'll know it's time for us to bail out as well.
The only ones that really matter will all have jobs back in DFW.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 06:38 AM
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Ok, so we found one guy on the union...
You're free to volunteer any time you like. Who knows, they might actually learn something from your obviously comprehensive knowledge of labor law.

Commuting may be a choice, but let's deal with reality here. You have to stop the bleeding first.
That's on them. The NC shouldn't feel the need to make that ask in light of other gains that could be made that have more value across the pilot group. If the company wants to offer it (and apparently they already have) let them do it of their own accord..

Yeah, I'm ok with running off half cocked too. Do something instead of sitting on your thumbs.
Which all sounds great and dandy on a pilot b1tch board until that pilot you "deal with in the parking lot" turns around and beats your scrawny little ass and the company drops an injunction on you in Federal Court.

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Look, you and I both want the same things, and I think you and I both agree that we're (eventually) going to get them. That said, it's management's job to run a business and if they decide to run it in a way that doesn't align with our desires then you're going to have to be ok with that and move on. Sucks, but that's the way it is.

But in that process there's a right and a wrong way to do things, and you're going to have to figure that out too. We have a lot of things working in our favor, including market conditions, pilot supply, and even some good union leadership. Let those things do their job.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 07:06 AM
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On the subject of the 200s. Dion and Co. have been saying for a year or more now that they would all be painted by the end of Feb...then it was Mar. Now we are in April and they still aren't painted. If that isn't a sign of whats happening...I dunno what is.

The 200s are done....sooner than later.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
You're free to volunteer any time you like. Who knows, they might actually learn something from your obviously comprehensive knowledge of labor law.


That's on them. The NC shouldn't feel the need to make that ask in light of other gains that could be made that have more value across the pilot group. If the company wants to offer it (and apparently they already have) let them do it of their own accord..


Which all sounds great and dandy on a pilot b1tch board until that pilot you "deal with in the parking lot" turns around and beats your scrawny little ass and the company drops an injunction on you in Federal Court.

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Look, you and I both want the same things, and I think you and I both agree that we're (eventually) going to get them. That said, it's management's job to run a business and if they decide to run it in a way that doesn't align with our desires then you're going to have to be ok with that and move on. Sucks, but that's the way it is.

But in that process there's a right and a wrong way to do things, and you're going to have to figure that out too. We have a lot of things working in our favor, including market conditions, pilot supply, and even some good union leadership. Let those things do their job.
I don't think so. I've expresses an interest to join in the past, but I would have to be in charge. It wasn't well received. I would want to run things my way.

My focus would be on applying pressure, publicly.

Regional airlines shouldn't even exist, I would like a hand in their demise.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
On the subject of the 200s. Dion and Co. have been saying for a year or more now that they would all be painted by the end of Feb...then it was Mar. Now we are in April and they still aren't painted. If that isn't a sign of whats happening...I dunno what is.

The 200s are done....sooner than later.
Good riddance. Best to focus on 700's and 900's.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
On the subject of the 200s. Dion and Co. have been saying for a year or more now that they would all be painted by the end of Feb...then it was Mar. Now we are in April and they still aren't painted. If that isn't a sign of whats happening...I dunno what is.

The 200s are done....sooner than later.
Good, this would be nothing but awesome for current PSA pilots.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I don't think so. I've expresses an interest to join in the past, but I would have to be in charge. It wasn't well received. I would want to run things my way.

My focus would be on applying pressure, publicly.
So just to make sure I get this straight, you want to go straight from regular line pilot to MEC Chair willing to show complete disregard for any and all Federal Labor Law and existing legal precedent, in an environment where we'll most likely get what we want anyway, should the company actually decide they want to operate 76 seat CRJs, and you got your panties twisted in a wad.

Yeah, you're EXACTLY what we need.

Regional airlines shouldn't even exist, I would like a hand in their demise.
And what you keep ignoring is that that's most likely going to happen anyway without stupid cr@p like "dealing with pilots in the parking lot."
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Old 04-05-2016 | 08:26 AM
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Quick question. Have you guys been doing any -200 flying out of ORD?

Saw a -200 in DSM going to ORD and sadly it wasn't an AWAC... Ugh.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
Quick question. Have you guys been doing any -200 flying out of ORD?

Saw a -200 in DSM going to ORD and sadly it wasn't an AWAC... Ugh.
Supposedly starting in May we are doing 200 flying in ORD.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
So just to make sure I get this straight, you want to go straight from regular line pilot to MEC Chair
Yes, I can get things done. I'm not afraid to lose my job. Everything I would do would be open, nothing confidential. Anything politically correct would be discarded.

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willing to show complete disregard for any and all Federal Labor Law and existing legal precedent
It will be like 20 years ago. On paper things would be legitimate, but behind the scenes the company will have to take us seriously. They'll have to work and sharpen their pencils. I'll turn the pilot group into an angry mob.

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, in an environment where we'll most likely get what we want anyway, should the company actually decide they want to operate 76 seat CRJs, and you got your panties twisted in a wad.

Yeah, you're EXACTLY what we need.
You haven't accomplished a damn thing, you've got a lot of angry pilots with no confidence. You're not even paid for this, what do you care how I would run things?

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And what you keep ignoring is that that's most likely going to happen anyway without stupid cr@p like "dealing with pilots in the parking lot."
So you are ok with pilots picking up overtime etc..?
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