Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

The Real Pilot Shortage

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-22-2007 | 08:51 PM
  #31  
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,929
Likes: 0
From: A-320
Talking

I think in the future airlines will shy away from the guys that got hired at a regional with 300hrs, I would much rather hire an individual who spent over a 1,000 hrs flying out of pure enjoyment.................than maybe they got some turbo-prop experience, than to a jet, I would much rather have that individual fly for my airline than someone who got his ratings in 2 months then got their job flying a jet with 300hrs, cause we all know these guys think they deserve it, after all............. they "put in their time"................but then again I could just be biased cause I am one of the pilots above.................you guys that know me, know which one

Flame away..............but I truly think a majority of HR likes people that have a more well-rounded flying background, as opposed to someone who knows very little other than gear up/down...............
Old 05-22-2007 | 09:03 PM
  #32  
bla bla bla's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
From: rj 700/900
Default

There is a shortage of pharmacists; my good friend from college is married to one. She got a 20k signing bonus for a one year contract with 110,000k starting pay and she hadent taken her final tests. Until I see something like that in aviation I call bs. You can talk until your blue in the face but I won’t listen.

The airlines have overcapacity right now, (to many seats to fill). The regional illusion of a shortage is for outsourced jobs. In the big scheme of things our industry is due for consolidation i.e. mergers. The regional’s are just trying to fill planes that are used to outsource major flying.
Old 05-23-2007 | 05:19 AM
  #33  
Ftrooppilot's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,349
Likes: 0
From: Body at sea level; heart at 70,000+
Default

Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
. . . . Flame away..............but I truly think a majority of HR likes people that have a more well-rounded flying background, as opposed to someone who knows very little other than gear up/down...............
No flame. I just believe that most HR people don't know what a "well rounded" flying background is. There would be many definitions.
Old 05-23-2007 | 05:30 AM
  #34  
SkyHigh's Avatar
Self Employed.
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,120
Likes: 0
From: Corporate Pilot
Default Hr

Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
I think in the future airlines will shy away from the guys that got hired at a regional with 300hrs, I would much rather hire an individual who spent over a 1,000 hrs flying out of pure enjoyment.................than maybe they got some turbo-prop experience, than to a jet, I would much rather have that individual fly for my airline than someone who got his ratings in 2 months then got their job flying a jet with 300hrs, cause we all know these guys think they deserve it, after all............. they "put in their time"................but then again I could just be biased cause I am one of the pilots above.................you guys that know me, know which one

Flame away..............but I truly think a majority of HR likes people that have a more well-rounded flying background, as opposed to someone who knows very little other than gear up/down...............

HR would think that the guy who wasted years as a bush pilot and then building skills as a single pilot IFR night cargo guy wasn't trying all that hard or that there was something wrong with them.

Why would an airline prefer someone who has tasted real flying? All they need is meat in the seat and what is better than a 300 hour human automaton. Real pilot skills are not needed nor required anymore.

Skyhigh
Old 05-23-2007 | 05:17 PM
  #35  
robthree's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 0
From: 777, sofa
Default

Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Real pilot skills are not needed nor required anymore.

Skyhigh
Until something goes wrong.

And they don't need pilots who have experince solving problems, they 'train' them to handle 'abnormals' via the checklist.
Old 05-23-2007 | 08:42 PM
  #36  
SkyHigh's Avatar
Self Employed.
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,120
Likes: 0
From: Corporate Pilot
Default Follow directions

Originally Posted by robthree
Until something goes wrong.

And they don't need pilots who have experince solving problems, they 'train' them to handle 'abnormals' via the checklist.
More pilots have gotten into trouble trying to think for themselves. It is better to have a check list follower.

SkyHigh
Old 05-24-2007 | 03:34 AM
  #37  
atpcliff's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,215
Likes: 0
From: Capt
Default

Hi!

2006: Boeing sold the most planes ever.
2006: Dassault sold the most planes ever.
2006: Bombardier sold the most planes ever.
2006: Embraer sold the most planes ever.
2006: Cessna sold the most jets ever.
2006: Beechcraft sold the most jets ever.
2006: Gulfstream sold the most jets ever.
2006: Airbus either had their best year, or was close.
Virtually EVERY jet manufacturer had their best year, and I believe that 2005 was their 2nd best year.

This does NOT take into account the VLJ boom.

Jet Blue, Southwest, Delta, Net Jets, Emirates, Cathay Pacific, the Japanese carriers, ALL the Indian and Chinese carriers:
They're all experiencing less than optimal recruiting situations. Now. Today.

With UAL and NWA to hire soon, with UPS, USAir, FedEx, and AA behind them, what is going to happen when EVERYONE is hiring, and all these new jets are coming on line???

Who is going to fly all these new planes? We can't even fly the ones we have now.

cliff
YIP
Old 05-24-2007 | 04:28 AM
  #38  
SkyHigh's Avatar
Self Employed.
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,120
Likes: 0
From: Corporate Pilot
Default Jobs

Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!

2006: Boeing sold the most planes ever.
2006: Dassault sold the most planes ever.
2006: Bombardier sold the most planes ever.
2006: Embraer sold the most planes ever.
2006: Cessna sold the most jets ever.
2006: Beechcraft sold the most jets ever.
2006: Gulfstream sold the most jets ever.
2006: Airbus either had their best year, or was close.
Virtually EVERY jet manufacturer had their best year, and I believe that 2005 was their 2nd best year.

This does NOT take into account the VLJ boom.

Jet Blue, Southwest, Delta, Net Jets, Emirates, Cathay Pacific, the Japanese carriers, ALL the Indian and Chinese carriers:
They're all experiencing less than optimal recruiting situations. Now. Today.

With UAL and NWA to hire soon, with UPS, USAir, FedEx, and AA behind them, what is going to happen when EVERYONE is hiring, and all these new jets are coming on line???

Who is going to fly all these new planes? We can't even fly the ones we have now.

cliff
YIP
In time anyone who wants a flying job will have one. Employers will keep lowering the minimums and pay. The biggest reason that there is a bright future on the hiring front is that no one will want the jobs anymore.

Skyhigh
Old 05-24-2007 | 04:57 AM
  #39  
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,929
Likes: 0
From: A-320
Default

Originally Posted by SkyHigh
In time anyone who wants a flying job will have one. Employers will keep lowering the minimums and pay. The biggest reason that there is a bright future on the hiring front is that no one will want the jobs anymore.

Skyhigh
God you are depressing
Old 05-24-2007 | 05:12 AM
  #40  
RedeyeAV8r's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,838
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
God you are depressing
Personally APC should charge him hourly rates for the Therapy he receives from posting on this forum.

Personally, I am glad he is happy leaving the Life in the hills of SEA.

I have flown with Angry, Unhappy and disenfranchised people before. They are no fun to be with.

Last edited by RedeyeAV8r; 05-24-2007 at 05:27 AM.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
maximilian2
Foreign
26
06-12-2015 04:31 AM
Longbow64
Part 135
117
07-23-2009 08:46 AM
HSLD
Major
224
07-18-2007 11:24 AM
Cappy
Major
44
05-26-2007 09:48 PM
colinflyin
Regional
10
03-13-2007 09:25 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices