Up and Out Policies: Upgrade
10-26-2008 | 04:28 PM
#111
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But you never hear "he was a great guy, but he failed upgrade and got fired". It usually does not come as a surprise...
Again TW's situation seems unusual and I don't know the answer, nor do I believe in up-or-out. If there is a wild-card in the process, it would be personality conflicts.
10-26-2008 | 04:32 PM
#112
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The reason I stopped posting on here.....................its all coming back to me now haha
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10-26-2008 | 04:35 PM
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
It is common knowledge that people do not just have a bad day and fail upgrade training...there are always underlying issues, such as attitude. If you bust a ride and have a good attitude, they work with you.
But you never hear "he was a great guy, but he failed upgrade and got fired". It usually does not come as a surprise...
Again TW's situation seems unusual and I don't know the answer, nor do I believe in up-or-out. If there is a wild-card in the process, it would be personality conflicts.
But you never hear "he was a great guy, but he failed upgrade and got fired". It usually does not come as a surprise...
Again TW's situation seems unusual and I don't know the answer, nor do I believe in up-or-out. If there is a wild-card in the process, it would be personality conflicts.
10-26-2008 | 04:57 PM
#114
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what are you talking about? I said he seemed like a stand up guy. I commented on the fact I feel bad for people that want to fly so badly they go across the world looking for a job.
The reason I stopped posting on here.....................its all coming back to me now haha
The reason I stopped posting on here.....................its all coming back to me now haha
10-26-2008 | 05:14 PM
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"On the approach lights, he also asked how long the lights of an ALSF-2 extended from the runway. I said 3000ft. It's 2600."
I'd like to know where he got this. Both the Jepps and AIM have the ALSF's listed in a range from 2400-3000'. Also, the part about descending to 50' is not a reg. If you are over the Approach light system and don't have the runway in site (REIL's, etc) then I would think you also have lost the visibility and would have to go missed anyways.
I'd like to know where he got this. Both the Jepps and AIM have the ALSF's listed in a range from 2400-3000'. Also, the part about descending to 50' is not a reg. If you are over the Approach light system and don't have the runway in site (REIL's, etc) then I would think you also have lost the visibility and would have to go missed anyways.
10-26-2008 | 05:36 PM
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A. Conflict off interest by Check Airman/Designee. Unprofessional policy to have same person involved after a failure. Poor policy hurts credibility of company reputation. Skywest training dept:, you just took a hit in alot of professional minds.
B. This demonstrates the value of unions on property for pilots. Hopefully, this will be remembered next time their is an organizing effort at Skywest.
C. Loyalty and extra efforts done for your company are never remembered or 'banked'. People remember, but they are often not in a position to affect a change. i.e. Scheduling may have like TW's efforts to move airplanes, but in a corporate sense, you are invisible and will never be rewarded.
D. TW, sorry this happened. I would contest the termination on technicalities that Skywest did not follow the policy (except to terminate)
E. How any Capt at Skywest would support this policy flies in the face of the industry knowledge and current philosophy on CRM, etc.
Can only say "Wow" Again, not reputation enhancing.
B. This demonstrates the value of unions on property for pilots. Hopefully, this will be remembered next time their is an organizing effort at Skywest.
C. Loyalty and extra efforts done for your company are never remembered or 'banked'. People remember, but they are often not in a position to affect a change. i.e. Scheduling may have like TW's efforts to move airplanes, but in a corporate sense, you are invisible and will never be rewarded.
D. TW, sorry this happened. I would contest the termination on technicalities that Skywest did not follow the policy (except to terminate)
E. How any Capt at Skywest would support this policy flies in the face of the industry knowledge and current philosophy on CRM, etc.
Can only say "Wow" Again, not reputation enhancing.
10-26-2008 | 05:48 PM
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From: blueJet
SkyWest Crewmember Policy Manual Revision 9
TRAINING
STANDARD PRACTICE 315
c) Pilots, who are undergoing transition training for a captain or first
officer position, may elect to return to their previous position for
which he/she was qualified and be frozen for a period of twelve (12)
months.
TRAINING
STANDARD PRACTICE 315
c) Pilots, who are undergoing transition training for a captain or first
officer position, may elect to return to their previous position for
which he/she was qualified and be frozen for a period of twelve (12)
months.
Equipment is EMB-120, CRJ-700, etc.
It does not say return to previous equipment, it says return to previous position, i.e. Captain back to FO.
An attorney worth a darn should be able to work with that.
10-26-2008 | 05:49 PM
#119
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Well Said
A. Conflict off interest by Check Airman/Designee. Unprofessional policy to have same person involved after a failure. Poor policy hurts credibility of company reputation. Skywest training dept:, you just took a hit in alot of professional minds.
B. This demonstrates the value of unions on property for pilots. Hopefully, this will be remembered next time their is an organizing effort at Skywest.
C. Loyalty and extra efforts done for your company are never remembered or 'banked'. People remember, but they are often not in a position to affect a change. i.e. Scheduling may have like TW's efforts to move airplanes, but in a corporate sense, you are invisible and will never be rewarded.
D. TW, sorry this happened. I would contest the termination on technicalities that Skywest did not follow the policy (except to terminate)
E. How any Capt at Skywest would support this policy flies in the face of the industry knowledge and current philosophy on CRM, etc.
Can only say "Wow" Again, not reputation enhancing.
B. This demonstrates the value of unions on property for pilots. Hopefully, this will be remembered next time their is an organizing effort at Skywest.
C. Loyalty and extra efforts done for your company are never remembered or 'banked'. People remember, but they are often not in a position to affect a change. i.e. Scheduling may have like TW's efforts to move airplanes, but in a corporate sense, you are invisible and will never be rewarded.
D. TW, sorry this happened. I would contest the termination on technicalities that Skywest did not follow the policy (except to terminate)
E. How any Capt at Skywest would support this policy flies in the face of the industry knowledge and current philosophy on CRM, etc.
Can only say "Wow" Again, not reputation enhancing.
10-26-2008 | 06:03 PM
#120
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From: CRJ-200/700/900 FO
When I was contemplating bidding CA on the EMB, everybody in general seemed to think that was a good idea. Idle small talk, many had been in the EMB before the CRJ, said it was fun (for a while).
Then, after I accepted the bid, I seemed to regularly bump into people that would question, "you're going from FO CRJ to CA EMB ?"
When I said yes, almost universally, they would say, "you're gunna have your hands full".
Then, after I accepted the bid, I seemed to regularly bump into people that would question, "you're going from FO CRJ to CA EMB ?"
When I said yes, almost universally, they would say, "you're gunna have your hands full".
Last edited by flyfresno; 10-26-2008 at 06:32 PM.
