Well we do have a difference of opinion, but I respect your thoughts and appreciate the debate. If APA flies 76 seaters(without some sort of co-op with Eagle) I will be thoroughly shocked. It will be an interesting next few years, I hope for the best for all.

 

Yes.........I certainly admit here's one guy who cannot be faulted for aiming high.

Their new contract will apparently include :

- Modest pay raises.

- No PBS.

- Pension obviously unaffected.

- Mainline 76-seaters flown at slightly lower rates then old F-100's,
but still with AA schedules and pensions.

- The ability of AMR to pay all other labor groups mainline costs,
especially after THEIR "me too" contracts kick in.

- The ability of AMR to do this competitively against other regionals who
could undercut them easily.

- The disappearance of American Eagle like a fart in the wind.

Nothing wrong with high expectations, except the fact that if they don't materialize, the devestatingly bitter disappointment that follows.

BTW, if AMR was stupid enough to agree to all this, it would only last about 6 months, then.........well, AMR ends up where they would have had the APA threatened to strike.

It's a slightly longer road, but it still leads to the same destination.

 

BS on the FRB. I had an FT in April and haven't heard jack about it. Thanks EGL ALPA for continuing to be worthless to the Executive pilots.

 

Hey;easy there pal,they are helping the DFW ATR ops with the heat issue.OTOH, they complained so much,that basically you can thank them for creating such issue to the point of less flying for them creating displacements from DFW. Sad.

 

Are you a LGA based CA that commutes from Albany?

 

No..........what gives you that idea ?

 

142K!!! use the contract, take advantage, OT grabber with furloughs on the fence, I am sure is justifiable.

 

It's interesting that apparently some pilots are angry with others for maximizing their income by taking advantage of the benefits in a contract (one they waited decades for), then frequently turn around and blame them or others for not getting enough benefits in that contract for them. Our union (ALPA) negotiated this provision in our contract and we had to give something else up in order to get this. It's there, many take advantage of it and that's reality. Expecting a pilot with 25 years senioirty to consider the interests of a pilot perhaps not even born when he began here is not realistic. I'm sure not one of those single furloughees would repay him back for giving up tens of thousands of dollars, so THEY can do their time at Eagle as quickly as possible and get to a major sooner. Instead, the consideration is "what will you do for ME".

As a general statement, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but this is the airline industry. As I said before, the common denominator among airline pilots is, "every pilot group for themselves" and within each pilot group, it's "every pilot for themself".............sad, but true.

But since you're feeling altruistic, perhaps you can email your MEC offering the following in the interest of future junior new-hires;

Dear sir,

In the interest of unity and maximizing the pleasant career experiences of pilots not yet hired here or very recently hired and to avoid furlough, I am willing to either pass on my upgrade entirely so those junior to me can advance to their liking or take a 50% pay cut NOW in the hope it will provide employment to more pilots. Please insure my wishes are communicated and implimented as soon as possible and please ensure everyone else be required to do the same.

Signed,

F/O Andy Hosemyself


-or-


Here is an alterante email I like better (only applicable if they were to heed your expectations);

Dear Sir,

In response to the sacrifices made by senior pilots here who have waited decades to make decent money and have elected to give most of that up at my demand to insure I can avoid furlough, I'd be willing to sign an agreement either repaying those pilots at a later date in full (with interest) when I get to a major carrier -or- agreeing to stay at XXX Airlines to make my career here and abandon my plan of coming here, sucking whatever sap I can get out of this tree and flying off to a prettier tree at the first opportunity in the hope that I too can sacrifice in 20 years for a future pilot currently in kindergarten.

Signed,

F/O Gary Getouttathisplace



My guess, is you bid the best line you can, will upgrade as soon as you can and have (and will) made your career choices in YOUR best interest instead of those junior to you. If you say you haven't or won't, you're not being honest. My guess is that you're also angry that YOUR beliefs are not followed by most others to insure your career goes as fast and smooth as possible and your tenure at your regional is as short as possible. With that attitude, it wouldn't surprise me that once you got to a major, you'd not only not repay these senior pilots for sacrificing for YOU, but would probably belittle them as "lifers" and/or "losers". Congrats.......I can DEFINATELY tell you, YOU are airline pilot material.

If only life molded itself to the way we each think it should be and others acted how we think they should act, would it be heaven. This world is not and so back to reality it is.

 

Love it. LOL.

 

I worked with a ca sometime ago and all he did was talk about how he made over $120k last year by bidding day trips, flying under and picking up ot... blah blah blah.....