Shyguy, where do you come up with the time to write all this stuff? The amount of effort looks like a full time job. And higney, if the rumor is complete bs then why is SE posting about it?

 

Do you know the only problem with the whole issue with adjusting pay? If you go to the table and say we want the two months back for SLI and Travelnet the company says ok, it didn't cost us anything. If you go to the company and say we want our pay adjusted those two months they say ok, what are you willing to give up? Or alternatively they say, fine then we won't adjust anything for two months, how about that?

I've heard this term "retro pay" batted around, and admittedly I have no idea what retro pay would be. What would you even base that on?

I don't claim to have all the answers, I just don't think we need to be trying to make others lives worse to make ours better. Maybe I'll change my mind when I'm senior

In the mean time, I have an early show....

 

Higney85, at most, on the high end, the cost for one year would be $360,000. I rounded up the FO pay step increase. Realistically, it's lower.

Millions, you say?

On a pay-rate basis only, 360k times 5 years = 1.8 million. If you include vacation, sick pay, 401k, and any other minimal cost changes, you'd BARELY hit $2 million over the 5 year duration.

My math assumed we had just 80 XJ furloghee pilots come. But it sounds like we had 100 XJ furloghee pilots automatically get 2nd year pay, the pay difference that the company has to pay (7,200 per pilot per year), would be 720,000 bucks.

$360,000 is the cost per year to fix Pinnacle pilots' longevity total, on a pay-rate basis.

$360,000 x2 = $720,000.

Do you see the conclusion?

By taking in 100 furloughee Mesaba pilots, the net cost is the same amount that it would take to give Pinnacle pilots longevity credit (sim date to class date fix) for TWO years worth.

 

Shyguy there is more to back longevity than just hourly rate. Vacation accrual and 401k match also have to be considered, as well as other calculations I haven't thought of yet...

 

Yes, and that's included in the "minimal" section of my above post. Vacation accrual would, under the new contract, net at most a day or two extra, if you are at the right step (especially the October-november-december DOH guys). 401k match based on just $2/hr increase for two months, is again, minimal. At most, you'd be looking at 2 million to maybe 2.5 on the high end for 5 years.

 

It would also mean getting an extra week of VAC 1 year earlier for lots of us too. And don't forget those accruals (vac,401k., payrate etc are an extra 2 months EVERY Future Year that pilot is employed at Pinnacle. Not just a 1 time 2 month deal...

 

Shyguy on a lighter note if you talk this much in the cockpit you need to change your screenname!!!

 

Ain't that the truth!

 

ShyGuy isn't a guy who is shy, that would be Shy Guy. ShyGuy is a character in the Super Mario Brothers game for SNES.


Anyway,

Only a day or two additional. Per our last contract, from 12-59 months completed service, 2 weeks, 60 months and above, 3 weeks, etc.

There was no "in between." Now, we get a pro-rated amount of vacation day.

For example, assume one will have 52 months of completed service by the end of this year. Under the old contract, you'd just get 2 weeks.

But with the new contract, "more than 4 years service" accrues at a certain rate 1.75 and "more than one year" accrues at 1.16

So a guy with 52 months of service by the end of 2011:

His math..........

months 49, 50, 51, and 52. 4 months at "more than 4 years service."

4 x1.75 = 7

And for months 48 and below, it accrues at only 1.16 So the remaining 8 months were accrued at a rate of "more than one year"

8 x 1.16 = 9.28

7 + 9.28 = 16.28

Rounded to 16.

This pilot gets 2 weeks and 2 days (VAT) of vacation. Note how it prorates.

My argument is that adjusting the longevity by two months only nets you, at best, one or two days additional for vacation time. Not a full week. It could become a full week if you are around a Feb-March date of hire. But if that is the case, you'd be getting 2 weeks and 5 days vacation prorated before, and now, you'd get 3 weeks (just two days additional).

Do you see the difference?

 

It FLOORS me that XJ would try and dispute something like this, when it was clearly addressed in the LOA #2 Transtion agreement V. They are doing nothing more than trying to intentionally screw us 9E guys out of 2 months of seniority. "Unity" ....... what a joke! This is extremely pathetic behavior to dispute something like this, just to gain a 2 month advantage over every Pinnacle pilot. I won't being forgetting this anytime soon.