I'm a 9E '07 guy, so they'll be below me. But that's not the point. It's the principal of the matter. And you say that your guys are "probably just making sure the furloughs are being given the proper treatment as they should." The time for that was *prior* to April 15. After the JCBA was signed and prior to April 15, all 3 groups had negotiations for the SLI. When that didn't come to fruition, we entered negotiated sessions with Bloch. When that didn't work, it finally went to binding arbitration. You mean to tell me that the WHOLE time, this situation was never addressed? That's hard to believe. They topic of XJ furloughees must have come up, and addressed, before April 15. So what's so special now that a dispute was necessary?


If they all have taken it back, then good. Information like that is never communicated to us. They have 60 days to leave, but they are all still here. Honestly, I don't care whether they stay or go. But if lost any more pilots than what we have now, we'd be in a really big staffing crisis. When did that 60-day clock start? And please understand, I don't have hatred towards any group. I hold nothing against XJ pilots or the XJ furloughees. The only thing I'm a little disappointed about is disputing something when the disputing window already closed. We are where we are today due to cards that were dealt to us long ago. I don't have any of this figured out, hence, trying to make sense of it and see what's going on. The only piece of knowledge I do know is that Bloch wanted the MOU. That MOU spelled terms of placing XJ pilots at Pinnacle with longevity credit. It points us in the right direction.

 

Taking care of furloughs and making sure they're not thrown under the bus?

I hope they take steps to insure that never happens again.

 

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Shyguy you finally broke my 2 1/2 years stint of no response on APC because of your outrageous crap. You know why we got 2nd year pay at pinnacles rates? Because no XJ pilot would take the horrible pay the company offered for first year pay as it was BELOW our old first year pay. 2nd year pay at 9e's old pay rates was barely our old 1st year pay rates. As for the questions for the LOA for us, do everyone a favor and read it, it's in the contract but I will answer the 60 day question. June 4th is the 60 day time limit.

 

ShyGuy you really need to educate yourself before you post. The SLI is being done for everyone on property on June 1, 2010. The MOU pilots were on the XJ list on that day and that's where Bloch will see them. Also, the company requires the MOU pilots to stay in their current spot for 60 days after accepting recall. Many of us want to go back to XJ but can't.

The whole reason this is taking so long is that your airline (9E) has so many errors in your seniority list that they have to be fixed before Bloch will issue his decision.

 

Shyguy, I don't understand where your hatred of the Mesaba furloughs stems from. Sure, they got second or third year pay, vacation and sick time but how does that affect you? Why would you wish for another guy to get worse treatment? Most of the Mesaba furloughs had already been furloughed once before, so they've suffered plenty. As for where they'll fall in the final list, who knows? Who knows where any of us will fall. Are you just mad the list isn't done? We're all mad about that, but wishing for another pilot to lose doesn't exactly follow the golden rule. Not that everybody follows that, but walk a mile in their shoes and you might find some sympathy you're lacking now.

 

1st year pay was still a hell of alot better than what you were making on furlough......or I guess you could have applied to Colgan or Lakes and made even less AND had to give up recall rights.....

 

If you had a full time job less than 10.50 an hour you are correct. If a furlough were making anything above 10.50 an hour you are incorrect. It's not that hard to make 14-15 dollars an hour and kill first year pay. The only thing that saves it, is second year pay, or in the case of the 99 contract third year pay.

 

They would have made less at Colgan their first year but since Colgan 2nd year pay was more than your second year pay.....

Get over yourself, seriously.

Chances are you will be furloughed sometime in your career, I hope you are shown the same courtesy.

 

Its impressive that you had the above information posted to this board within 27 minutes of the email that was sent from the PCL merger committee. You must be on XJ's MEC or merger committee yourself. Thank you for your service to the profession.

ALPA does not maintain PCL's or any other carriers seniority list. Its unfortunate that the list provided by management contained errors but that was not the fault of the PCL MEC or Merger Committee. To the best of our knowledge, the errors discovered throughout the certification process had all been rectified. You will not find any PCL pilots apologizing for errors made that were outside of our control.