Gulfstream Int Airlines
11-25-2011 | 04:27 PM
#271
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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I beg to differ, there is a such thing as above/below average pilots. I have seen pilot's that don't want to do the work. They rely too much on automation and their Captain and do not have a complete understanding of what's going on. How many low time regional FO's took the extra time to study about icing conditions when they got hired on in the middle of winter out in the east. Regardless you called me inexperienced, arrogant and ignorant, non of which is accurate. Regardless, you and Fly are entitled to your opinions, but again, fortunately those opinions won't write my future.
In the 121 world, nobody cares about who the best stick is and even less about who thinks they are the best stick. There is nothing worse flying with someone who high fives themselves after a nice landing.
Automation is a 121 pilots best friend. I have no problem with a FO keeping their skills up but I want to see the AP on when shooting hard IMC approaches and when multi tasking builds up. I am much more impressed by an FO that can use the automation to their advantage while managing their role as PF rather than an FO who insists to hand fly and can not maintain constant speed or pitch.
The point is, what you did or "achieved" in the past does not matter once you start at the airline. You will be junior FO and at the bottom, after a few "Oh *******" moments you will realize that the game has changed and things are not exactly what you thought it to be.
Again, I give this as friendly advice. Someone previously said on this thread (maybe you) that the FOs job is not to learn but back up the Captain. This cant be futher from the truth. Your job is to back up eachother and to learn as much as you can from the comfort of the right seat, learning from the left seat is not smart.
11-25-2011 | 04:35 PM
#272
Respek
Joined: Jul 2010
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There's no such thing as above average at our level. We can all pass every checkride we take, and we all complete every flight we fly. It's called being a professional pilot. Our pay and work rules are what separates us. Gulfstream is the lowest of the low in the categories that matter.
11-25-2011 | 04:38 PM
#274
Respek
Joined: Jul 2010
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What the heck is an autopilot? For real though I'm fairly certain the GIA 1900's don't have them which will be good for the stick and rudder skills but tiring after 5-6 legs a day.
11-25-2011 | 04:42 PM
#275
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2011
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From: Gear swinger
Well gentlemen,I've read this post from page 1 until now and like the swing of how things have changed.
It's quite apparent that some folks are still disgruntled by the name of Gulfstream, but by the looks of things, it seems as though Gulfstream has trying to make a change for the best.
While being under new ownship, I would hope it would be safe to assume that they are completely under new management as well.Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
I'm a recent graduate of FlightSafety Academy, currently 241.1 hours and heard about Gulfstream's hiring through a friend.I put in my resume and guess who got the call in?
My interview is for this coming Wednesday, and I am going. My advice to many that are unsure about this airline is to do research and ask questions. I still have my doubts and like any normal person in their right mind I think they would as well.Especially from an airline who has the not so perfect background history.
One thing for certain, no airline is perfect, no one person is perfect. I see ****ing contests on this forum about people being inexperienced because they have low time and so on and so forth. That just needs to stop. Its a fair playing field for all pilots in my opinion.There's people that just "get by" with 3000 hours, and there's the people with 350 busting their ass that know the far's word for word and could knows when a pilot is not in coordinated flight in a turn with their eyes closed.For instance I went to SimmComm in Orlando, Florida a week after my Instrument checkride for the PC12NG..They said no way in hell...Guess who beat the odds..
Point is, if you have low time and have something to prove, prove it.And it seems as though Gulfstream as well has a point to prove that they are taking a step in the right direction.My .02
It's quite apparent that some folks are still disgruntled by the name of Gulfstream, but by the looks of things, it seems as though Gulfstream has trying to make a change for the best.
While being under new ownship, I would hope it would be safe to assume that they are completely under new management as well.Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
I'm a recent graduate of FlightSafety Academy, currently 241.1 hours and heard about Gulfstream's hiring through a friend.I put in my resume and guess who got the call in?
My interview is for this coming Wednesday, and I am going. My advice to many that are unsure about this airline is to do research and ask questions. I still have my doubts and like any normal person in their right mind I think they would as well.Especially from an airline who has the not so perfect background history.
One thing for certain, no airline is perfect, no one person is perfect. I see ****ing contests on this forum about people being inexperienced because they have low time and so on and so forth. That just needs to stop. Its a fair playing field for all pilots in my opinion.There's people that just "get by" with 3000 hours, and there's the people with 350 busting their ass that know the far's word for word and could knows when a pilot is not in coordinated flight in a turn with their eyes closed.For instance I went to SimmComm in Orlando, Florida a week after my Instrument checkride for the PC12NG..They said no way in hell...Guess who beat the odds..
Point is, if you have low time and have something to prove, prove it.And it seems as though Gulfstream as well has a point to prove that they are taking a step in the right direction.My .02
11-25-2011 | 04:47 PM
#276
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2011
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From: Gear swinger
I am not going to come at you with "guns blazzin" but a few things that you may want to think about...
In the 121 world, nobody cares about who the best stick is and even less about who thinks they are the best stick. There is nothing worse flying with someone who high fives themselves after a nice landing.
Automation is a 121 pilots best friend. I have no problem with a FO keeping their skills up but I want to see the AP on when shooting hard IMC approaches and when multi tasking builds up. I am much more impressed by an FO that can use the automation to their advantage while managing their role as PF rather than an FO who insists to hand fly and can not maintain constant speed or pitch.
The point is, what you did or "achieved" in the past does not matter once you start at the airline. You will be junior FO and at the bottom, after a few "Oh *******" moments you will realize that the game has changed and things are not exactly what you thought it to be.
Again, I give this as friendly advice. Someone previously said on this thread (maybe you) that the FOs job is not to learn but back up the Captain. This cant be futher from the truth. Your job is to back up eachother and to learn as much as you can from the comfort of the right seat, learning from the left seat is not smart.
In the 121 world, nobody cares about who the best stick is and even less about who thinks they are the best stick. There is nothing worse flying with someone who high fives themselves after a nice landing.
Automation is a 121 pilots best friend. I have no problem with a FO keeping their skills up but I want to see the AP on when shooting hard IMC approaches and when multi tasking builds up. I am much more impressed by an FO that can use the automation to their advantage while managing their role as PF rather than an FO who insists to hand fly and can not maintain constant speed or pitch.
The point is, what you did or "achieved" in the past does not matter once you start at the airline. You will be junior FO and at the bottom, after a few "Oh *******" moments you will realize that the game has changed and things are not exactly what you thought it to be.
Again, I give this as friendly advice. Someone previously said on this thread (maybe you) that the FOs job is not to learn but back up the Captain. This cant be futher from the truth. Your job is to back up eachother and to learn as much as you can from the comfort of the right seat, learning from the left seat is not smart.
11-25-2011 | 05:05 PM
#277
Banned
Joined: Mar 2011
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I am not going to come at you with "guns blazzin" but a few things that you may want to think about...
In the 121 world, nobody cares about who the best stick is and even less about who thinks they are the best stick. There is nothing worse flying with someone who high fives themselves after a nice landing.
Automation is a 121 pilots best friend. I have no problem with a FO keeping their skills up but I want to see the AP on when shooting hard IMC approaches and when multi tasking builds up. I am much more impressed by an FO that can use the automation to their advantage while managing their role as PF rather than an FO who insists to hand fly and can not maintain constant speed or pitch.
The point is, what you did or "achieved" in the past does not matter once you start at the airline. You will be junior FO and at the bottom, after a few "Oh *******" moments you will realize that the game has changed and things are not exactly what you thought it to be.
Again, I give this as friendly advice. Someone previously said on this thread (maybe you) that the FOs job is not to learn but back up the Captain. This cant be futher from the truth. Your job is to back up eachother and to learn as much as you can from the comfort of the right seat, learning from the left seat is not smart.
In the 121 world, nobody cares about who the best stick is and even less about who thinks they are the best stick. There is nothing worse flying with someone who high fives themselves after a nice landing.
Automation is a 121 pilots best friend. I have no problem with a FO keeping their skills up but I want to see the AP on when shooting hard IMC approaches and when multi tasking builds up. I am much more impressed by an FO that can use the automation to their advantage while managing their role as PF rather than an FO who insists to hand fly and can not maintain constant speed or pitch.
The point is, what you did or "achieved" in the past does not matter once you start at the airline. You will be junior FO and at the bottom, after a few "Oh *******" moments you will realize that the game has changed and things are not exactly what you thought it to be.
Again, I give this as friendly advice. Someone previously said on this thread (maybe you) that the FOs job is not to learn but back up the Captain. This cant be futher from the truth. Your job is to back up eachother and to learn as much as you can from the comfort of the right seat, learning from the left seat is not smart.
11-25-2011 | 05:08 PM
#278
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I'm not knocking automation. I'm just saying that even with automation, you need to understand what is going on. If you don't have a solid understanding of IFR navigation, how can you monitor if the thing is doing what it's supposed too.
11-25-2011 | 07:27 PM
#279
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,585
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There's no such thing as above average at our level. We can all pass every checkride we take, and we all complete every flight we fly. It's called being a professional pilot. Our pay and work rules are what separates us. Gulfstream is the lowest of the low in the categories that matter.
I beg to differ, there is a such thing as above/below average pilots. I have seen pilot's that don't want to do the work. They rely too much on automation and their Captain and do not have a complete understanding of what's going on. How many low time regional FO's took the extra time to study about icing conditions when they got hired on in the middle of winter out in the east. Regardless you called me inexperienced, arrogant and ignorant, non of which is accurate. Regardless, you and Fly are entitled to your opinions, but again, fortunately those opinions won't write my future.
You guys are so low it doesn't matter. My pay is pathetic. What you guys get doesn't even constitute as pay to me. It's more like a high school kid's allowance.
11-25-2011 | 07:42 PM
#280
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 820
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I am not going to come at you with "guns blazzin" but a few things that you may want to think about...
In the 121 world, nobody cares about who the best stick is and even less about who thinks they are the best stick. There is nothing worse flying with someone who high fives themselves after a nice landing.
Automation is a 121 pilots best friend. I have no problem with a FO keeping their skills up but I want to see the AP on when shooting hard IMC approaches and when multi tasking builds up. I am much more impressed by an FO that can use the automation to their advantage while managing their role as PF rather than an FO who insists to hand fly and can not maintain constant speed or pitch.
The point is, what you did or "achieved" in the past does not matter once you start at the airline. You will be junior FO and at the bottom, after a few "Oh *******" moments you will realize that the game has changed and things are not exactly what you thought it to be.
Again, I give this as friendly advice. Someone previously said on this thread (maybe you) that the FOs job is not to learn but back up the Captain. This cant be futher from the truth. Your job is to back up eachother and to learn as much as you can from the comfort of the right seat, learning from the left seat is not smart.
In the 121 world, nobody cares about who the best stick is and even less about who thinks they are the best stick. There is nothing worse flying with someone who high fives themselves after a nice landing.
Automation is a 121 pilots best friend. I have no problem with a FO keeping their skills up but I want to see the AP on when shooting hard IMC approaches and when multi tasking builds up. I am much more impressed by an FO that can use the automation to their advantage while managing their role as PF rather than an FO who insists to hand fly and can not maintain constant speed or pitch.
The point is, what you did or "achieved" in the past does not matter once you start at the airline. You will be junior FO and at the bottom, after a few "Oh *******" moments you will realize that the game has changed and things are not exactly what you thought it to be.
Again, I give this as friendly advice. Someone previously said on this thread (maybe you) that the FOs job is not to learn but back up the Captain. This cant be futher from the truth. Your job is to back up eachother and to learn as much as you can from the comfort of the right seat, learning from the left seat is not smart.
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