Wheels falling off at RAH
11-04-2015, 04:01 AM
#1902
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
so whats the rsv time for a new hire now with the new contract? should i even think about ditching the current regional?
Off the top of my head, SDF has 2 1/2 year people on rsv (involuntarily). EWR, LGA, JFK, ORD are much quicker for a line.
11-04-2015, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
so whats the rsv time for a new hire now with the new contract?
It seems logical that the improved pay rates would attract new hires but then there are concerns over the Delta lawsuit and bankruptcy. I had a 15 year RAH Captain in the jumpseat the other day that told me that he had been applying elsewhere but with the new pay rates, would probably just stay.
Only time will tell. Many people have been hired by a regional when reserve time was just a few months and then spent years on reserve. That happened to a friend of mine who jumped regionals in 2006. He went to Mesaba chasing a street hire Captain position but after just 3 months on the line as a Captain, he was displaced to an FO and spend 6 years on Reserve there before getting hired by Spirit. I flew with another guy that left Eagle to fly for Astar (DHL Cargo Carrier) after they had gotten a new contract and was suppose to grow exponentially. It was suppose to be the new place to be. He spend 12 years as a FE there with zero movement. After being furloughed, he came back to Eagle as a new hire. There are so many variables that affect things such as Reserve Time or Upgrade Time that even with the best research, in the end, its a gamble.
11-04-2015, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
There is no one at any regional that can give you that answer honestly. The rsv time at any regional is going to be dependent upon how many new hires they are getting and what their attrition off the top is.
It seems logical that the improved pay rates would attract new hires but then there are concerns over the Delta lawsuit and bankruptcy. I had a 15 year RAH Captain in the jumpseat the other day that told me that he had been applying elsewhere but with the new pay rates, would probably just stay.
Only time will tell. Many people have been hired by a regional when reserve time was just a few months and then spent years on reserve. That happened to a friend of mine who jumped regionals in 2006. He went to Mesaba chasing a street hire Captain position but after just 3 months on the line as a Captain, he was displaced to an FO and spend 6 years on Reserve there before getting hired by Spirit. I flew with another guy that left Eagle to fly for Astar (DHL Cargo Carrier) after they had gotten a new contract and was suppose to grow exponentially. It was suppose to be the new place to be. He spend 12 years as a FE there with zero movement. After being furloughed, he came back to Eagle as a new hire. There are so many variables that affect things such as Reserve Time or Upgrade Time that even with the best research, in the end, its a gamble.
It seems logical that the improved pay rates would attract new hires but then there are concerns over the Delta lawsuit and bankruptcy. I had a 15 year RAH Captain in the jumpseat the other day that told me that he had been applying elsewhere but with the new pay rates, would probably just stay.
Only time will tell. Many people have been hired by a regional when reserve time was just a few months and then spent years on reserve. That happened to a friend of mine who jumped regionals in 2006. He went to Mesaba chasing a street hire Captain position but after just 3 months on the line as a Captain, he was displaced to an FO and spend 6 years on Reserve there before getting hired by Spirit. I flew with another guy that left Eagle to fly for Astar (DHL Cargo Carrier) after they had gotten a new contract and was suppose to grow exponentially. It was suppose to be the new place to be. He spend 12 years as a FE there with zero movement. After being furloughed, he came back to Eagle as a new hire. There are so many variables that affect things such as Reserve Time or Upgrade Time that even with the best research, in the end, its a gamble.
Absolutely true!
You really never know what a place will be like until you step foot on property. It's good to be as informed as possible though. Whatever airline you are thinking of going to, it's a great idea to read their contract ahead of time if you can get your hands on it.
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11-04-2015, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
so whats the rsv time for a new hire now with the new contract? should i even think about ditching the current regional?
Disclaimer- this is all from talking to FO's and watching the movement on bid awards for CA's and FO's. This place is about to change a lot with the Q's going away, Shuttle's United flying coming to the YX side, American giving back some flying to Envoy, and the inevitable restructuring to probably get rid of the Delta contract, so take it all with a grain of salt. The only few bases that might remain relatively consistent are PIT, ORD, EWR, IND, and LGA. Everything else will more than likely change drastically in the next few months.
11-04-2015, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dags
To add to what Loon said, on the YX side PIT is less than a month (but could change soon with the Q pilots coming over). EWR, LGA, and ORD are relatively low (but those are very fluid, and will change a lot soon with the Q pilots coming over to the jet, as they may bid to those bases). IND and CMH are around a year or less. MCI and MIA are about a year or more, DCA also about a year but getting worse due to reductions in flying. And GSO- don't even think about it.
Disclaimer- this is all from talking to FO's and watching the movement on bid awards for CA's and FO's. This place is about to change a lot with the Q's going away, Shuttle's United flying coming to the YX side, American giving back some flying to Envoy, and the inevitable restructuring to probably get rid of the Delta contract, so take it all with a grain of salt. The only few bases that might remain relatively consistent are PIT, ORD, EWR, IND, and LGA. Everything else will more than likely change drastically in the next few months.
Disclaimer- this is all from talking to FO's and watching the movement on bid awards for CA's and FO's. This place is about to change a lot with the Q's going away, Shuttle's United flying coming to the YX side, American giving back some flying to Envoy, and the inevitable restructuring to probably get rid of the Delta contract, so take it all with a grain of salt. The only few bases that might remain relatively consistent are PIT, ORD, EWR, IND, and LGA. Everything else will more than likely change drastically in the next few months.
11-04-2015, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dags
Forgot about good old PHL. Less than a year, should remain relatively constant.
11-04-2015, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe
Can somebody tell me if Jim B****h is still on the seniority list? He was a 145 capt in LGA back in the day, but is prob in PHL now.
07-27-2016, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Delta has pay rates for the CRJ-900. They start at $70/hour for a first year FO. $70 per hour. That's 300% what the same pilot will make at a regional. It's infuriating to think how the difference goes to a regional's overhead and its CEO's pockets. Get rid of all that. I hope Republic fails and I hope all the regionals fail. The only reason they exist was because legacy pilots were too proud to fly small planes. Ironically, regionals now fly aircraft sizably comparable to a DC-9, and their routes are anything but "regional." What a twisted industry situation to inherit. Thanks ALPA, thanks old legacy pilots.
What would it cost United or Delta or American to bring regional flying in-house? Would their pilots go for it? It seems like they hate the idea of giving a seniority number to anyone they don't have to, but if the only way Republic or the regional industry can staff their aircraft is by raising pay significantly, at what point does it become more cost effective to cut the middle man and bring the flying back in-house?
What would it cost United or Delta or American to bring regional flying in-house? Would their pilots go for it? It seems like they hate the idea of giving a seniority number to anyone they don't have to, but if the only way Republic or the regional industry can staff their aircraft is by raising pay significantly, at what point does it become more cost effective to cut the middle man and bring the flying back in-house?
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