Legally, he is right and you are wrong. The company made the offer prior to employment and agreed to by the prospective new hire. That is a contract made outside of actual employment. WHEN the new hire is paid is immaterial. It would have been smarter on the company's part to make the prospective new hire wait for six months for payment. Much less likely to bolt after starting on the line.

 

Would Republic be willing to consider a hiring bonus of $50,000 paid up front with a two year commitment?

 

There is no official ban on F9 hiring RAH pilots. But unfortunately there must still be some hesitation to do so, as I haven't heard of any being hired lately. This is too bad as I know several that I highly respect and like that would truly like to work at Frontier.

Perhaps it is just an abundance of caution or perhaps there is more.

The IBT (RAH pilots) has recently hired an Indianapolis law firm to sue the Frontier pilots for past dues that they claim they are owned. A random dollar figure (no invoice or accounting history) was provided to hundreds of F9 pilots. Legal action and credit reporting have been threatened if F9 pilots don't pay.

Also, the integrated IMSL list (with Frontier pilots included) is still maintained by the IBT (RAH pilots) as part of their contract.

Well guess what? Frontier pilots are a big part of the hiring process of new pilots at F9. RAH pilots should not be surprised that there exists a reluctance of Frontier pilots to hire people that they are in the process of being sued by.

Also, as long as the IBT is maintaining the IMSL with F9 pilots included, there exists the possibility of future legal action by the IBT or RAH pilots demanding that spot on the Frontier pilot seniority list.

The IBT (RAH pilots) has a long history of bringing legal action against the Frontier pilots.

If you were a Frontier pilot and part of the hiring process, would you be willing to gamble on hiring RAH pilots and the possible future litigation that could come with that?

What can RAH pilots do today that would improve their chances of future employment at Frontier? They can contact their IBT union reps and demand that the IBT stop it's harassment of the F9 pilot group. They can demand of their union reps that the IMSL with F9 pilots included be removed from the contract that is currently being negotiated with RAH.

It's that simple.

 

I don't know of many RAH pilots who want to go work for that sorry excuse of a LCC to begin with... Also, if it wasn't for the RAH pilots doing their FFD flying while F9 was owned by RAH, their's a good chance that F9 wouldn't even exist right now. It's too bad the Midwest guys got screwed over only to keep Frontier in existence.

Get over yourself. You chose to go it alone as part of RAH instead of being stapled to Southwest.

It's that simple.

 

You can always hear the F9 guys sobbing in the terminal- you chose rah over swa- Great decision

 

I regret my previous post, but only because it was a thread drift, and didn't belong in this thread. I apologize for that post and this one.

I understand your sentiments. I honestly do. And I agree with some. And that is partly why I am posting again. Here are some thoughts.


1. The Midwest pilots got screwed over before Frontier was part of the equation. I wasn't part of that.

2. I was very much in favor of the SWA option. I didn't get to choose.

3. There is validity in your statement that Frontier still exists because of the RAH lifeline. RAH pilots were part of that lifeline. I acknowledge that.

4. I do personally know several very fine quality RAH pilots that do desire to work at Frontier. I would like to help them get hired.

5. I personally prefer that F9 would give preferential interviews to ANY current RAH pilot that truly wants to work at Frontier. In spite of all of our prior differences, I acknowledge that we owe the RAH pilot group this.

6. The continued IBT aggression towards F9 pilots is preventing 3 thru 5.

7. The IBT's belief that the IMSL is still valid is preventing 3 thru 5.

 

I'm pretty sure the F9 Pilots are being pulled from the IMSL, but that's just what was in a IBT update. I don't know of one RAH pilot that is interested in Frontier. Maybe the guys who live in DEN, or FOs with no PIC. I can see how having the IMSL could cause issues with hiring, and unneeded legal actions.

 

Separating the seniority list is on hold until the lawsuit from the "Midwest 6" over seniority gets settled.

 

What's the "Midwest 6"?

 

You're a bozo, indeed. The F9 guys didn't choose RAH anymore than you chose to have a small ****.