Come to PSA and wait 2 months for an interview, 3 months after that for a class date, and 8 months to get through training? How is waiting a year to start building any kind of 121 time helping to advance one's career?

 

It beats a double commute to reserve any day.

 

you'll understand once you're in this industry for a bit, it is hard to explain for somebody new to it. The LIMFAC is not the fact RPA is losing trips, it's the fact they are losing CAs at an alarming rate (along with every other regional). That means there are more than enough FOs to cover the trips that all the CAs available can cover which means being used less on FO reserve. The good news is that there are more green days where you can drop reserve days and pick up trips in open time or the trade boards.
The company cannot afford to stop hiring FOs because they still need CAs and really the only reliable way to get CAs is to have enough FOs stay that will upgrade. They are trying to force that through sheer numbers.
Also don't listen to CFI. He is a newb that doesn't understand the industry. He still thinks the most important thing about any airline is first year FO pay.

 

At the risk of being goaded, I’ve been lurking this forum for a long time and am quite familiar with the general consensus and reception of your opinions. But anyway, afraid to fly a 145? Please. I fly a beat up 1968 twin otter single pilot and have had my share of mechanical emergencies in it. I came up in the skydiving world. I ain’t “afraid” of a clapped out 145 of CRJ. That said, I’ve been down that road and paid those dues. If I have the option, I’ll obviously take the newer/better maintained plane any day of the week. I have friends at Piedmont and was heavily considering it. For me it’s not all about the money, or even the fast advancement or flow. I just want to be treated with respect and professionalism, have a relatively reasonable schedule, drive to work, and work for a company that looks at their pilots as marathon runners, not sprinters. That said, sure, the shiny jet that doesn’t break every other leg will be nice too. If there is an option that better fits those considerations, I’m all ears.

 

IND reserve FO. flew 34hrs in June. peeps in my class @LGA/EWR have flown 1-2 trips in June. I dropped res days in July to pick up trips and got none of them. There is literally ONE open trip for all bases in July. the rest got snatched up because everyone is scrambling to get flying. The wait to hold a line now went from 1 month to 2 months to now 6 months? (going off of Teamsters app).

The obvious YX strategy right now is stall the contract till the recession hits, the music stops, and the attrition stops, and the union NC loses all leverage. Even if we get an economic proposal anytime soon we won't be voting on anything till towards the end of the year.

 

Why would an FO upgrade if they can go to a ULCC for more money or even direct to mainline? I can tell you now that I won't. And most of my peers are planning to leave within the year if they can.

 

My mistake! I actually had 4 two day trips last month. Not sure why i saw two last night. But still to clearify, FO’s are definetely flying less than what was told. Being a 1/25 new hire and still a low time F/O EWR based.

 

If pay doesn’t matter why is everyone going to ULCC & AA WO? You my friend are a fool if you don’t think FO Year 1 Pay doesn’t matter. Enjoy staying reserve while all new hires apply at AA WO FOR 90/hr vs 46/hr (also known as DOUBLE THE PAY)

 

You were parroting Year 1 FO pay, with no reference to work rules, reserve rules, scheduling protections, etc. back when the difference was a couple of bucks.

Nobody, and I mean literally nobody in this industry put any weight into first year FO pay at any airline until very recently. That’s why we all knew you were either an idiot or a phony.

 

Agreed, but if you did not have an offer by the time you are ready to upgrade you would be foolish not to upgrade at first avaliable and get that TPIC time. Which is why I say they need to hire as many FOs as possible so there will be some left behind to upgrade when eligible.