I’m glad they are getting all these events so they won’t have such a big difference between any pay scale next go around. Don’t let them forget it.

Hopefully learning will occur.

Disagree. The settling of the seniority based on the difference between aircraft will have occurred by the next round of negotiations. Tying the two aircraft together was a mistake they made the first time. They should be tied to industry aircraft of same type/size, not to each other.

Um... so you mean like 717 pay at delta? We should’ve been closer to that! C series pay is pretty lacking going forward too. Good news is by the time we get any of those, in any real quantity, we will be well into negotiations again.


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Or Delta A220-100 if they have any. BL is our negotiators should tie our aircraft to the industry, not each other. By the next round, the 190 will be a dying fleet and the 220 will be the new kid on the block. I’m sure Delta’s -300 will provide a nice basis to compare our flying to.

The problem is, they didn't tie the pay to the same type/***size*** aircraft...

If they had, they wouldn't have all these training events!

That’s our problem. We need negotiators and ultimately LEC reps willing to stand up for our worth and don’t move on when we ask and they say no next time.

And yes we would have. Artificially applying a 90% Bus rate to the 190 wasn’t sustainable. This shift was inevitable. Might be just as big when junior guys jump off the 320/321 and bid the 220 because those rates will be close.

No doubt when the 220 starts coming online the super junior 80%+ captain probably won’t exist anymore.


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They better not be close next time around. In the next contract A321's will become the most popular model on property. The difference between the A220-300 and the A321's is pretty substantial. Almost 50% increase MTOW on the LR. We already agreed to rates about 6% below our peers for the A320 when 1/3rd of the current Airbus fleet is A321. If they go with a single A320/A321 rate next time it better be much closer to our peers A321 rates than A320. I'm guessing the revenue spread between the A320 and A321 is much higher than the current peer pay differential of about 5%.

DAL rates going into their current negotiations:
A321: 285.50
B739: 285.50
B738: 284.01
A320: 274.06
A319: 274.06
A223: 269.15
A221: 262.84
B717: 255.57

JB’s E190 rate is pathetic and should be at least JB’s A221 rate. JB’s A221 rate should be the current A223 rate. Dying fleet or new fleet not on property...these rates matter and this should have been a resounding no. The cost of training events will surpass the amount they’d have paid with decent rates.