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Quote: While I think the economics are moving in our direction, and believe attrition is picking up which may “encourage” management to open discussions, I’m confused by the tone of many which seems to indicate that NJASAP should demand this, that, or the other NOW! If management doesn’t want to open discussions, what do you suggest NJASAP do for contract improvements?
A coordinated campaign that, "In the Interest of Safety", no airplane should move unless it's 100% airworthy and the crews are 100% rested and nourished. If the guy in DSM, whom received the $870,000,000 payday last month, wants to take us to court then we dip into the building fund money. Then the coordinated campaign becomes a public-facing campaign utilizing the WSJ if deemed necessary.
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We can’t dip into the funds for our union hall. Then we won’t have an airline-worthy union hall to go with our not-airline-worthy contract.

I guess we’re lucky that we aren’t an airline after all.
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Lies
Quote: Here's the perfect example of what I was talking about.

That is NOT what union leaders said. I'm not putting union communications on these boards...
BS, that is exactly the message on the union board under the IBI '23 thread, directly from Pedro...

NetJets does not currently have the profits to
support an IBI

Idk how you misconstrue that as anything other than what it says in plain english. So you're either a fool or a liar.
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Quote: jtf,

I also support the union leadership. However, with the latest announcement of a HUGE pay raise by Horizon, on top of all the other regional pay raises announced, I feel the time to pressure management is now…or very, very soon. The longer we wait, the higher the chances of something happening which decreases our bargaining power.
I agree. I think we may have already missed our window. The recession will become more obvious with every passing day and the company has just been playing stall ball. Their strategy will pay dividends for them, bupkus for us.
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Quote: Oh look, a poster who joined APC just last month and on his third post is trashing NJASAP leadership, a leadership team who have gotten us more gains than any leadership since the original SU group who forged our original path as our own independent union.

Some people just want to burn the place down. Or in this case, destroy our unity.

There's definitely some who are management sycophants. They make it pretty clear in their writing.
we have one of the best unions in the industry , up the union, NJASAP💙
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I will say, in the way of unions, I really respected NJASAP. During the mascara CEO era, I think NJASAP did a pretty good job at combating a really toxic management, although I don't think the 2015 CBA was all that spectacular (most did based on the voting though).

Now I have no idea as I am no longer there, but I do think the FDP program was devastating to the union and pilot group, and I have said so since its inception. It was a total win for management in reducing fatigue calls and if you work super hard it can be a win for pilots in terms of pay but it never really addressed the salary or scheduling issues, it merely made pilots ok with it. I think the honeymoon phase of FDP seems to be wearing based on the comments so now NJASAP will have the hard task of trying to navigate that with a real CBA and not these little handshake extensions to really remain competitive.

I would take NJASAP over any Teamsters and for sure UALs NC and MEC lol.
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Quote: I agree. I think we may have already missed our window. The recession will become more obvious with every passing day and the company has just been playing stall ball. Their strategy will pay dividends for them, bupkus for us.
All these companies are so reactive. It really is frustrating. They won't care until they can't fill classes and lose more pilots than they gain each month.
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I hear a lot of talk about regional pay and how that will motivate management to reevaluate base salaries. What about how the new regional salaries can’t possibly last? It reminds me of the saying, “The bulb burns brightest before it burns out.”

Maybe regional salaries aren’t the leverage everyone thinks it is.
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Quote: I hear a lot of talk about regional pay and how that will motivate management to reevaluate base salaries. What about how the new regional salaries can’t possibly last? It reminds me of the saying, “The bulb burns brightest before it burns out.”

Maybe regional salaries aren’t the leverage everyone thinks it is.
It is massive leverage as long as it makes it hard for the company to fill classes and as long as newer hires are leaving for the regionals. If there isn't a new contract before the regionals stop being able to cause hiring and retention issues, then it amounts to no leverage. That leverage is still ramping up and isn't strong enough yet, but there is always the possibility of a bad enough recession that the regionals stop hiring.
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Quote: It is massive leverage as long as it makes it hard for the company to fill classes and as long as newer hires are leaving for the regionals. If there isn't a new contract before the regionals stop being able to cause hiring and retention issues, then it amounts to no leverage. That leverage is still ramping up and isn't strong enough yet, but there is always the possibility of a bad enough recession that the regionals stop hiring.
I think new hires are leaving to the majors not to the regionals. At least that has been my experience with members of my new hire class a year ago. Most people have a sense of where they want to stay for their careers. If they want to go to the majors, they might choose a place like netjets to get what they need because regional pay used to be much less than netjets. Now those pilots will opt for the regionals rather than bouncing off of netjets. If netjets wants to compete as a career destination they need to be looking at what the majors are offering. Base pay for sure but also direct contribution to 401K.
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