I believe it's 80 neos. With a 60/20 split favoring the 320. We also have I think 8 more 321 ceos coming. Thought I could be off a little on the numbers.
Talking about our acp leaving, it's not like those jobs are sought after. Our cp and acp slots have huge turnover. She would have been on reserve in Denver and that wouldn't change anytime soon. And I'm guessing the chief pilots office has zero knowledge about what management's position on negotiations is. So let's not make more of her leaving then it really is.
Having said that, management is digging their heels in, like any other management would, and it's going to be a long process. Though I don't think 5 years like a lot of other guys do.

I figure I should put why I think it won't be a 5 year long negotiation process:
Indigo wants to spin us off sooner then later. They've already hired investment bankers for an ipo. Any new investors want to see stability in all aspects of the companies operations. It's only big, knowledgeable institutional investors who would be buying initially. They will go through everything with a fine tooth comb. It's not Joe Blow buying 5 shares through Etrade.
As has been mentioned in financial articles previously investors will want to see a stable, long term network plan. Not the kind of flying we did in 2013-2015. Trying new routes then shutting them down. They want to know what our route structure will look like in 5 years.
The same can be true of the companies costs. They will want to know what the companies labor costs will be 2,3,5 years down the road. I'm pretty sure all of the companies union contracts are up and currently being negotiated. That's a hell of a lot of unknowns that any investor will want to know the answers to before they dump millions of dollars into us. It's "I'm interested in investing but get the labor contracts done. Then we'll talk." kind of thing.
My 2 cents anyways.

I think your 2 cents is pretty spot on. I had a discussion with my brother who is a CFO/former Comptroller (for a non aviation company). Labor uncertainty in the form of a looming contract negotiation will be very poorly received. Investors will assume worst case (i.e., we are getting Delta/American/United money). Hopefully that does expedite a little bit, but as previously mentioned, the most recent NC email doesn't inspire hope...

Thank you for that reference! Sometimes I know what is in that FOM, but I'm not smart enough to find it!!


I'm in agreement with NoCoairbus on the length of time before we have a new contract secured. I think it will be much sooner that the 5 years speculated by some, and for the same reasons outlined by NoCoairbus.

I also believe the ALPA vote and LTD assessment will pass. I base this on many conversations I've had while flying the line, and not on the current FAPA website discussions.

It is my personal opinion that the majority of our pilot group believes that FAPA has done a fabulous job for us to this point, but is ready for a step to a larger national union to help face the challenges in our future.

Personally, I am still undecided how I will vote (FAPA vs. ALPA). Part of my reasoning is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I also understand arguments in favor of ALPA.

With that being said, it is my prediction that the vote will be 70/30 in favor of ALPA.

When is the ALPA vote?

Now through April 30 I believe.

April 15-29

I hear one of our new hires in the April class is from the NY area. If he or she is on here, please PM me.

Anybody here go to the MCO CPM&G? For those that did, any invites from the company?

I went, no news yet.

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