Almost exactly what I've averaged in the last 12-months.

So the Atlas hiring thread mentioned how frustrating our CBA is...

Discuss

anyone, anyone??

Is it the document itself, the way the individual interpets it or the way the union seems to not totally be on labors side? Your choice you pick.


Cargo

Wow, so from your perch it seems the company is completely innocent, and so easy to blame "the union"...or was that an accidental oversight on your part? (Me thinks not...and if it is an unfortunate oversight, I'll gladly provide a retraction).

744driver, again another 'crack me the $&#= up' answer, or as they say in da bidness, a knee jerk reaction. The best thing that you can do is read to understand not read to reply.

So i will reply to your question as i did the original referenced question, 'just pick one'........... lets get to it............

BTW, I have very limited union experience, so maybe someone here could, in the words of someone that went viral on youtube, "hepme hepme hepme" please enlighten me on this.

thanx.

Cargo

"the way the union seems to not totally be on labors side"

Cargo, the problem is, someone floats this stuff without any understanding of what goes on day to day with the guys that have given up a BIG chunk of their life to protect this CBA, Stewards, ExCo and the many volunteers that have their phones ring on an hourly basis. If there are specific cases you can provide, or maybe even one, I bet there is an indepth story behind it where the CM messed up or probably didn't like the way the contract is interpreted. The union has lawyers that tell this and all ExCo's stuff they can and can't do, and sometimes that ****es off the rank and file.

I find it funny and kinda sad, the line guys say the ExCo is not taking care of them and lately the instructions are crying the blues about the ExCo not watching our for their interest. So who's right? Who the ExCo looking out for? This ExCo is both line guys and instructors.

Normally when I challenge a statement like about, I get a mumble and they walk off or change the subject. Very few facts out there. They are just repeating what they hear in the *****ing sessions at the breakfast tables. And it's only going to get worst. Some of the stupid rumors being floated by the ExCo wannabe's is sad!!!!

+1 (and thank you, Whaledriver!!)...

What we have now is an amalgamated contract that did not require ratification by the membership and is source of much frustration. The language in that contract could only be made as strong as the membership was in support of its union and in the days of Cato, it was not very strong at all thus the weakness of the contract. We must learn from the past and NOT let this happen again. This time it will be a section 6 negotiation ratifiable by the membership. Once again, this contract will only be as strong as the unity, solidarity and participation shown by this membership, it must be solid! It is the membership that empowers the ExCo, we can largely blame ourselves if they do not succeed.

+2 Incredibly well said Whaledriver! There's always so much more to a story than one can know, especially the further they are removed from the source. The mis-information going around is very unproductive and leading the pilots in the wrong direction in preparation for this rather important negotiations!

BTW, I was not badmouthing the candidates for ExCo with my "ExCo wannabes", just tagging onto Cargo's name. I am proud and it is a sign of a healthy union, that so many are interested in stepping up.

I am a little disappointed in some of the tactics, but that is politics these days.