Thanks for the data! I was curious.

In all seriousness what's the difference between a Delta pilot flying delta passengers and an Endeavor pilot flying Delta passengers? Obviously money and uniform but as far as the way the customers are treated, on time performance and getting the job done right , what's the difference?

As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.

There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.

At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.

No, I haven't gotten the no.

I know one SSPer that's had 2 DUIs. Haha. Also, the majority of folks that got the double No didn't actually get a double NO. Only a few got that. Then they turned it into a "come back in 12 months if you can" not a true double NO but a perfect gray spot in which to defecate.

It's culture and reliability, above skills. Next, they have way more fleet types, so you need a pilot who can at least activate an iPad. Furthermore, Endeavor pilots staying put are more valuable to the bean counters, because they are much harder to find, than the thousands that want into Delta.

I thought you guys were asking what the real world problems were, not what i wish would happen or what I philosophically believe.

All this talk of flow, staple, defined path to DL, blah, blah....it means nothing. In a few years, assuming there is not a major war or economic meltdown, the majors and LCCs are going to have to absorb just about every regional and military pilot looking for employment who isn't a convicted ax murderer or previously committed mental patient. Regionals will fold and that 40-year experiment will be over....

Seriously though... If there are approximately 20,000 U.S. regional pilots and 15,000+ mandatory legacy retirements on the horizon, who will fill those openings? Not being sarcastic or rhetorical, but don't those numbers take care of a flow?

Before they flow us, they'll hire Chinese and Indian ab initio pilots.

No, You forget about LCC, ULCC, Cargo, 135, mil, etc. etc. The flow is important on principle. Daddy D wants us to fly their passengers while being perfect representations of their brand, held to the same standards of customer service and safety, make our gate announcements, achieve our NPS, and wear they hat. yet will only pay us 1/3 of what their guys get with a subpar contract, and no profit sharing. Flow, in a small way, shows they value us and believe we so meet their standards. Right now, it's "You need to be as good as us, but you're only worth a 1/3 of us."

Right now, they say fly for us, but you're not really good enough to fly for us. I hope our recruiting falls flat and they can't staff this place until they give us REAL career progression.

No, no, no....

The speech goes like this:

"I'm not allowed to tell you anymore that we aren't going to hire you, but you can come back in 12 months and try again.

But be aware, you'll be going against fighter pilots and others with much better credentials than you.

United's hiring, and so is Southwest.

Thanks for coming."