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Originally Posted by gzsg
Alpha
Show me the compounding on our executives 300% to 700% compensation increases since chapter 11.
You won't and we know why.
You and I both know the freight trains coming. The sales job talking points almost done.
Try explaining to anyone how the Delta pilots hourly rate is 18% to 20% lower than it was over a decade ago. Real people, real faces. No inflation. Record profits. Billions to shareholders.
You sold it once and you will sell it again.
Longer freezes are good!! This is a win! Disregard the loss of jobs. It's good to include the JV scope violation in this deal!
Funding our increases with profit sharing is smart!
Will the pilots buy in again? Will they believe the threats?
Will they believe their is nothing more on the table?
Time will tell.
Jerry
There is no difference in our goals; we all want the same thing, more money, more time off, more benefits, the whole package. Despite the lame webboard arguments to the contrary, there is not one pilot involved in negotiating our contract that does benefit from all those things. Their interests are directly aligned, they have no reason to accept anything less than the maximum available amount of money. Any argument to the contrary is just made up crap.
The only difference is the path to get there. You believe in the emotional side of the argument. Your idea is that the only thing we lack is the will to get the job done. If you create these emotional propaganda based arguments like executive compensation, you can generate massive contractual gains through sheer will of effort. For you, any contractual shortfalls are merely a lack of concentration and effort. So you create these emotional arguments based on what we made a decade ago, or what management is making, or you use conflated statistics to try to get your way.
An example is your claim that pay banding will cost 1,000 jobs. In order to save 1,000 jobs, you would have to have at least 1,000 pilots in training per month, meaning that every pilot on the seniority list would have to go through training each year. If you assume that pay banding would save half the training slots, an aggressive assumption, you would be saying that Delta manages 24,000 training events per year, or each pilot goes through upgrade school every 6 months. If that argument were brought forth to anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of our careers, you will be laughed out of the room. Same as your claim that $86,000 per year compensation increase is nothing.
My view is simple. Our contract will be based on economics. That is how the company views it and more importantly that is how the NMB views it. They talk about the zone of reasonableness and what they mean is use economics to justify your position,not emotion. Emotionalism gets you parked for years and years. There is a reason I can't buy a new Mercedes for $100 and a reason why I can't buy an apartment in Manhattan for $1,000. It is all economics. No matter how much emotional propaganda I spit out, I can't close a deal on those terms.
On that chart above, I asked you to look at all the zeros on the left side of the chart. That is the result of pilot groups negotiating from emotion and not economics. History has shown that my way of looking at things has succeeded where others failed using your way. I know that many believe that if they just use the emotional method but just become more emotional, then it will work. It doesn't. The rest of the piloting industry has come to the Delta way of thinking. Look at how the APA is now dealing with their JCBA. No threats to meet them at the fiery gates of hell, just an economic analysis of the state of their company and the state of their contract in relation to the rest of the industry. This is the path to success.
I know the big joke is about the time value of money, but it is not a joke. Look below at how hard it is to catch up if you blow two years of negotiating. Even I could make a touchdown in the NFL if they put me at the one yard line and put the defense back at the 50.