With all the mail flowing to the reps, none of them will have the time to come visit APC.........

The Council 1 update showed me the TA gave a shopping cart full of concessions to management. The Council 1 update also showed me that our cart was not very full. The MEC administration's constant denigration of profit sharing tells me there's a cut in profit sharing. Another source tells me there are indeed scope concessions. That'll do it for me.

Carl

Ok, so all we have is rumors at this point. BUT, the rumors we do have are all negative. Well, to most of us they're negative. Maybe giving up 5% of PS for 5% of pay and adding 2% on top of that is fine for some, but I think MOST of us can agree that in this environment (i.e. with the multiple BILLIONS in profit the company is making and the increased number of BILLIONS in profit the company is expected to make) that something more is needed in this TA, right?

So riddle me this: Who in the HE double hockey sticks can put up any kind of defense for such horse squeeze? I mean, who are these APC members and where did they come from? About all that is justifiable in a sane world is for an APCer who doesn't want to buy into the notion that there might be more truth to the (very likely) rumor of a turd coming in this TA to say, "Hey, I'm not willing to say no until I see what's in it." Other than that or, "I heard it was not as bad as the rest of you seem to think." But any talk like "Are you willing to wait 3 years if it's turned down." or the like is unbelievable. Seriously? That just boggles the mind. Apparently this kind of individual would take 4/1/1/1 with 4% given back in PS and concessions in sick leave, scope, and LCA OE bumps.

Again, who are these APCers and are they even part of our pilot group?

Problem is, my house isn't in Greece, and the one I do own went very underwater.

The only rep I've heard talking with my own ears (pilot lounge in Atlanta) was doing zero listening. He was transmit-only trying to convince two sequential PS supporters that they were wrong to want it untouched.

Easy. Profit sharing give backs. We've been over this ad nauseam



I can tell you now. If the rumored give backs are only half true, and the rumored rates are accurate, we didn't get anything other concessionary contract in the most wildly profitable era of the airline industry, that has benefited and continues to from their new pricing paradigm. Unbundled Fees

How much was that stock buy back and dividend package for?

Time to move labor peace to the edge of the table. Careful with that! That labor peace is made of fine bone China. It breaks easily.

What do you surmise the company "needs" that couldn't or shouldn't have been paid for out of the $5,000,000,000 buyback giveaway?

Sure, contracts are give and take. The last one was their take and this one is their give! And if they don't want to give, I'll take their accidental give (profit sharing) as is in the current contract.

Blame yourself for buying it during the mortgage bubble or in a terrible location.

I sold my home several years ago for a gain. For there to be winners, there must be losers.

I saw them in there on Friday. They were huddled in the chief pilots office like it was a safe haven...Almost like they felt more comfortable with management than with the line pilots.