I wouldn't trade where I am for anything. Most FOs at other regionals are still on reserve and I am in the top 50% of captains in two years time at PSA. (PSA still treats us like ****, but I'll take the 70k over 40-45ish. Bide my time till I'm out of here, however that happens.

What exactly is your solution? Quit, give up whatever seniority they have and go elsewhere, start at the bottom, so that whoever is still at PSA might have some gains? I'm not sure what your expectations are?

Not that it matters.

PS (Both of you are right) Something needs to change, but AAs complete disregard for bargaining in good faith and our pilot group not having any leverage as long as someone (any other regional) exists that can do the flying cheaper than us or the same cost theres really nothing that can change.

Of course unless AA grows a heart ( like the Grinch).

To answer this again, realize that the file you linked to is the 1st edition of ALPA's Guide to 117. Check out question 97 in the third edition:
https://far117understanding.files.wo...17_feb2015.pdf

Also, read 12.C.4 of the contract.

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/fastread/2014/docs/Anderson_5-13-14.pdf

You guys should read this before playing hard ball with scheduling or the chief pilot.

Read question 98.

Basic contract law-Void if illegal.

Same fact pattern, still illegal

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/part117/Part117_Interps/Part117ByReg/

Far 117 has been watered down quite a bit with interpretations. Take a look for yourself. ALPA is on revision 3 of their guide. More revisions to come most likely.

You're right, it was question 98 that I should've been referring to. But even then, it states that one can be reassigned prior to the end of the FDP, and the contract defines end of the FDP as 15 minutes after block. If you want to play hard ball with scheduling don't call them until 15 minutes after block.

But at the same time remember that that document is an ALPA interpretation of 117 and it's later FAA interpretations. If you want to keep playing this game that support your position with actual regulation and FAA interpretations instead. The Anderson letter is real interesting reading.

APLA revision 3 is not 100% up to date. The chief pilot and the company will us the Anderson interpretation.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2014/Anderson-Teamsters357%20-1-%20(2014)%20Legal%20Interpretation.pdf

This is a different subject but also a lot of conflicting answers will come if the question is asked can the company ask me questions if I refuse a FDP extension. Or do I have to call in fatigued if I don't exsept.

Hmm.

Version 4 published with alpa 117 app and has a Dec 2015.

Same q98. Same result.

Still illegal...

Even with Anderson, It is all about when extended.

117 defines the FDP and its legal application not the contract.

Apply Anderson...very clear "when a FDP has ended 117.25(e) Requires a flight crew member be provided with a 10 hour minimum...."

This is why the alpa guidance is unchanged to version 4.

Over and out.