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Old 06-07-2016, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized View Post
We will get FO pay rate increases along with an increase in flow (9/month) in exchange for trading the SAP for PBS.
I say go ahead and bargain away the SAP. Management has essentially rendered it useless for most of us anyway. SAP has become more of a recruiting tool for management and less of a quality of life enhancement tool for the pilot group.

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Old 06-07-2016, 11:43 AM
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Default July Upgrades!!!

The company just announced FOUR upgrades for July!

At that rate, assuming only half of our f/o's stick around long enough to upgrade, this week's new hires can expect to upgrade in 5.7 years!

I guess managements assertion that no first officer would ever be affected by the 4 year pay cap, (unless he chose to skip upgrade), was wrong.
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:50 AM
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The company just announced FOUR upgrades for July!

At that rate, assuming only half of our f/o's stick around long enough to upgrade, this week's new hires can expect to upgrade in 5.7 years!

I guess managements assertion that no first officer would ever be affected by the 4 year pay cap, (unless he chose to skip upgrade), was wrong.
FO that I am flying with today has been here 20 months. At the current rate, he is 15 months away from upgrade.

So, people hired in 2014 have a 3 year upgrade.

People hired today will likely not upgrade for 6 years.
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Old 06-07-2016, 12:30 PM
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When is the CBA up for renegotiation , 2023?
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Old 06-07-2016, 12:36 PM
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Real question here. This probably won't be well received but oh well this is APC.

Are you guys embarrassed to answer the question while jumpseating "who ya with?" I know that when guys come up and ask for a ride and say they're with PSA I almost want to laugh knowing what I know about your airline. It's going to pretty tough for you guys to get on to mainline.
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Old 06-07-2016, 12:45 PM
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Real question here. This probably won't be well received but oh well this is APC.

Are you guys embarrassed to answer the question while jumpseating "who ya with?" I know that when guys come up and ask for a ride and say they're with PSA I almost want to laugh knowing what I know about your airline. It's going to pretty tough for you guys to get on to mainline.
And if you think that your regional is any better, then you are a special kind of stupid. They are all equally crappy.

Envoy started the "PSA is bad" thing out of jealousy. They have been the abused children of the industry for more than a decade. Anyone with any self respect would have left Envoy years ago. All that are left are bitter people that can't go elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by RogerWallace View Post
Real question here. This probably won't be well received but oh well this is APC.
Are you guys embarrassed to answer the question while jumpseating "who ya with?" I know that when guys come up and ask for a ride and say they're with PSA I almost want to laugh knowing what I know about your airline. It's going to pretty tough for you guys to get on to mainline.
That's a hell of a first post, Roger. I'm guessing that you're a troll.
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Originally Posted by RogerWallace View Post
Real question here. This probably won't be well received but oh well this is APC.



Are you guys embarrassed to answer the question while jumpseating "who ya with?" I know that when guys come up and ask for a ride and say they're with PSA I almost want to laugh knowing what I know about your airline. It's going to pretty tough for you guys to get on to mainline.


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Old 06-07-2016, 12:54 PM
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I do not fly for a regional anymore.

Originally Posted by CLT Guy View Post
And if you think that your regional is any better, then you are a special kind of stupid. They are all equally crappy.

Envoy started the "PSA is bad" thing out of jealousy. They have been the abused children of the industry for more than a decade. Anyone with any self respect would have left Envoy years ago. All that are left are bitter people that can't go elsewhere.
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I do not fly for a regional anymore.
You did. Same thing.

Everyone has bad things to say about all of the regionals. Pick one, we can all pile on.
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