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Old 03-22-2016 | 03:31 PM
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Reading comprehension is a gift. I need to stick around for the medical insurance and I'm on the cusp of upgrade. I'll stick it out through summer then maybe it's off to endeavor. A lot can happen between now and July.

It doesn't need to be 2008. We've created our own easily avoidable crisis. We have enough pilots for right now. With attrition we can't staff anymore new aircraft. PSA acts like they are the only show in town and pilots are beating down the door.
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Old 03-22-2016 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchRapp
...... we are slightly over staffed for the next handful of aircraft. And we are currently not hiring 60/month by choice.
Is that why PSA management unilaterally decided to violate our contract and offer new hire pilots a $10,000 sign-on bonus,..... or $15,000 to new hires with prior 121 experience? Because we're "slightly over staffed" and "currently not hiring 60/month by choice"?

I currently don't need a new car. But I'm going to offer auto dealerships $10,000 over sticker price, if they'll sell one to me. $15,000 over sticker, if it's a blue car.
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Old 03-22-2016 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Reading comprehension is a gift. I need to stick around for the medical insurance and I'm on the cusp of upgrade. I'll stick it out through summer then maybe it's off to endeavor. A lot can happen between now and July.

It doesn't need to be 2008. We've created our own easily avoidable crisis. We have enough pilots for right now. With attrition we can't staff anymore new aircraft. PSA acts like they are the only show in town and pilots are beating down the door.
Anyone not in the top 55% of the company isn't upgrading this year, don't know where you currently are. Upgrades will pick up later this year or early next year but it'll be stagnant for a while. Flows will stop after May so there is 5 less captains leaving a month which means not much attrition off the top.
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Old 03-22-2016 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick111
Is that why PSA management unilaterally decided to violate our contract and offer new hire pilots a $10,000 sign-on bonus,..... or $15,000 to new hires with prior 121 experience? Because we're "slightly over staffed" and "currently not hiring 60/month by choice"?

I currently don't need a new car. But I'm going to offer auto dealerships $10,000 over sticker price, if they'll sell one to me. $15,000 over sticker, if it's a blue car.
For the 1,000,000 time new hire bonuses fall outside the CBA and are legal, which is why every single regional offers them now without a LOA.
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Old 03-22-2016 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Anyone not in the top 55% of the company isn't upgrading this year, don't know where you currently are. Upgrades will pick up later this year or early next year but it'll be stagnant for a while. Flows will stop after May so there is 5 less captains leaving a month which means not much attrition off the top.
Sorry about the aggression. Depending on the list you look at I'm in the low 600s.
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Old 03-22-2016 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
For the 1,000,000 time new hire bonuses fall outside the CBA and are legal, which is why every single regional offers them now without a LOA.
If the payment of the bonus is contingent upon the pilot remaining employed by PSA, then it's not outside of the CBA. By your measure, a new hire pilot would receive the bonus even if he quit after one day of indoc. or if he washes out of training. Is PSA paying new hire bonuses to pilots who have quit during indoc. or have been fired after failing training?
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Old 03-22-2016 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick111
If the payment of the bonus is contingent upon the pilot remaining employed by PSA, then it's not outside of the CBA. By your measure, a new hire pilot would receive the bonus even if he quit after one day of indoc. or if he washes out of training. Is PSA paying new hire bonuses to pilots who have quit during indoc. or have been fired after failing training?
If they were illegal they would be gone because they take leverage away from unions but they are all still here at every regional. Maybe you have a better grasp of labor law than any of these unions and law firms that can't get them to go away.
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Old 03-22-2016 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Anyone not in the top 55% of the company isn't upgrading this year, don't know where you currently are. Upgrades will pick up later this year or early next year but it'll be stagnant for a while. Flows will stop after May so there is 5 less captains leaving a month which means not much attrition off the top.
Any intel when the next upgrade class will be?
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Old 03-22-2016 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by foumanchu
Any intel when the next upgrade class will be?

No clue. Looks like it will be a while as a very senior ipt instructor took the last upgrade they had. Probably got the hint there wasn't going to be anymore for a long time.


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Old 03-22-2016 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FourPutt
Anyone not in the top 55% of the company isn't upgrading this year, don't know where you currently are. Upgrades will pick up later this year or early next year but it'll be stagnant for a while. Flows will stop after May so there is 5 less captains leaving a month which means not much attrition off the top.
Where do you get that flows will stop?
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