Figure that out on your own did you? 🤣.

Just giving you a hard time.

It does make sense for the industry to look at further consolidation. There is simply not enough demand to warrant all the existing airlines at the moment. You can say we will snap back to 2019 levels but I don’t see that happening anytime soon as business travel will take a permanent hit. This is worse than 9/11 and the 2008 financial crisis.

Just out of curiosity has anyone maybe step back and looked at recent history.

last time alpa approached us with something it was honestly not terrible, and the possibility of a code share with AA.

In recent news, there was speculation saying that the time period has passed on the AA deal making it approved (I don’t know the logistics of that). Shortly after that news was leaked from a very credible (sarcasm) blogger, the company then requested meetings with ALPA and we got the cryptic message of we talked in a secluded room but can’t tell you about what. Fast forward to last night. When we got another email, with which I see as two good thing, job security and value to our contract. As well as two questionable thing CBA relief (could simply be something to ease up the code share agreement. And voluntary options (maybe 50 hours lines 6/12 months, that everyone on here says they would LOVE but won’t actually take).

just playing devils advocate for a minute. Maybe this ALPA email really is not as bad as anyone thinks. I trust the MEC. I know they value the integrity of the contract so I want to believe that whatever they vote on I would believe to be beneficial to us.

Felt you must have sobered up. I agree completely with everything you said 😎

99% of the time I’m wrong. However after thinking about it, this seems logical.

company has been talking about it. We already have an agreement in until May 1. I would hope ALPA would have said let’s talk about further cuts in April vs December. We just put out a system bid with no displacements. Pretty sure if the company was looking for some give backs we would have had displacements in this bid. AND then have them ask for concessions. I’m pretty pessimistic but somethings telling me it isn’t nearly as bad as everyone seems to think. I’m sure there are some hardcore no concessions guys that will shame me.

I don’t think the ALPA email was that cryptic. There are 4 clear things discussed in the negotiation according to the email. Verbatim:

Company-requested CBA relief
job security
voluntary cost-saving measures
value being added to our CBA

Seems easy to figure out what each of these are. In order, my opinion only, more one time code share relief (more cities with AA, or with Alaska, or in Europe), no furloughs for a new period of time, more VILs (maybe some longer term options), and some permanent monetary gains to our CBA (profit sharing is an obvious possibility since it costs nothing now).

I have heard we may be pleasantly surprised with the AIP. So, I guess we wait a few more days to see.

soooooooo basically what I just said?

and yah. First email a bit cryptic.

I hope you’re right.

I go back to the blue note sent by M.E. last week, the Chief People Officer about “shared sacrifices.” Non-union workers got no furloughs until September but lost their 5% Retirement Plus and a couple other things. Overall they didn’t see big cuts like I was expecting. Now the question is do they make an example of the two labor groups they have in Flight and Inflight.

if they wanted to do that they would have furloughed fa’s a long time ago

Just wondering what you all feel regarding taking the vaccine.

Should we all take it because it’s a “non-brainer”? Will/Should JB require in order to continue Employment? Exemption for certain groups/people...

Thoughts?