captive apple

What about the jets for jobs part? You walking this back? Is it just a catchy slogan?

Hedley

There is no more jets for jobs. The current UPA says that if United furloughs past 1/23/16, any regional operating 70/76 seat jets for United has to offer employment to furloughed United pilots. There is a corresponding LOA that spells everything out. Basically, SkyWest or any other regional operating big rj’s for United has to offer jobs to 5 times the number of jets (not just 70/76 seaters) that they have flying for United. They are new hire positions in every way, but starting at 2nd year 70/76 seat pay. This of course only applies if the airline is hiring, but failure to comply with the United contract requirements means that the airline will no longer fly for United. If things recover and we stick to the new LOA, none of this will matter. If things don’t improve dramatically by next summer, United will most likely furlough deep enough to not only terminate the Covid LOA, but make the furlough protection LOA kick in.

herewego

The Jets were contracted between United and Skywest back in the early 2000s for the promise of jobs in the future should the need arise.
More jets may not be on the way, but believe it or not attrition at Skywest is still occurring even with the pandemic making it not likely that those pilots are moving to legacies. Eventually we will need to hire, so if the J4J contract still holds those jobs should be going to furloughed United pilots.
Most of those pilots probably have a CRJ type rating so they can quickly be trained to temporarily fill the remainder of the deuces flying, as lifer regional pilots fly Skywest Heavy.

captive apple

Thanks the original question was if J4J is gone and it sounds like it is and replaced with a new agreement.

When things get better we will need our own orange lanyards. No de facto flow down without progression for all!!

Hedley

Jets for jobs is dead and long gone. There is no flow down, just a requirement to offer new hire positions only if there is a deep furlough. The problem with a lanyard type campaign is who you negotiate with. Pilots for a legacy negotiate with the legacy, while pilots for a regional negotiate only with the regional after the legacy pilots have established the boundaries with the parent company. A regional union can’t demand to flow up, and they can’t stop a furlough protection agreement between a legacy union and the respective company. From all of the people that I have flown with who are involved in the hiring process at United, they have all said that the company wants no part of a true flow agreement. They want to pick and choose their own nut jobs, not have them handed to them.

captive apple

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pangolin

Yeah and those guys will fly for Delta. I call bull ****.

Hedley

The old agreement from post 9/11 is void. All there is now is the UPA. One of the requirements is for a regional to offer jobs to pilots equal to 5 times the total number of aircraft that they fly for United. 3 out of 5 of those offers have to be into aircraft with a seating capacity greater than 50 seats, so in the case of SkyWest, only 2/5 of the new positions can be on the 50 seaters. This only applies if SkyWest is hiring, and if United furloughs past 1/23/16. Hopefully with the Covid LOA signed, by the time next summer gets here things will be better and the company won’t have time to furlough that deep. If things are still not improving, get ready for a bunch of 10,000+ hour new hires when you guys start hiring again.

amcnd

Last time there was only 65 takers with only 28 actually showed up for class and finished... out of 2800 furloughed right??

captive apple

If soft landings 2.0 still applies, coming in at the top of the FO pay scale would be sweet.