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02-24-2021, 03:19 PM
#1701
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 198
Originally Posted by ComingInHot
Saying "I seriously hope you get bumped above the CFI CJOs/cadets" is hating on CFIs lol.
Also, I don't think any applicant would mind paying for the CTP at this point.
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Also, I don't think any applicant would mind paying for the CTP at this point.
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02-24-2021, 05:15 PM
#1705
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by domino
Will be nice to seeing new people on property. Hopefully everyone gets some flight time before the next recession caused by rampant inflation later this year.
02-24-2021, 06:09 PM
#1706
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: B747 FO
Posts: 610
There are many different ways to skin a cat.
Guys/gals with previous experience might be easier to train, however they also come with preset ways of doing things. Perhaps they will not be the perfect fit, some of the guys from ExpressJet/Compass/Trans state hated OO less than a year ago. To my knowledge soft landings will be in place once the MOAs expire, so saving a few thousand dollars on ATP-CTP in order to pay 10 year CA pay to a former 121 guy might not be the best financial way to go...
Guys/gals with previous experience might be easier to train, however they also come with preset ways of doing things. Perhaps they will not be the perfect fit, some of the guys from ExpressJet/Compass/Trans state hated OO less than a year ago. To my knowledge soft landings will be in place once the MOAs expire, so saving a few thousand dollars on ATP-CTP in order to pay 10 year CA pay to a former 121 guy might not be the best financial way to go...
02-24-2021, 09:22 PM
#1707
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 539
Throwing in my worthless.02
Whether you are a CFI or an experienced 121 pilot (or other pro type rated pilot) really isn’t what counts imho. It’s attitude. Having been lucky enough to escape the regionals (spent 8 years) I can honestly say attitude is what counts. The CFI who is low experienced (only instructing on patten work but has a great attitude and eager to learn have always been my favorite FOs. The experienced guy who “knows everything” is often a pain to fly with. The guys and gals who are willing to learn but are also a contributor on the flight deck are great.
I look back at what I knew when I entered the regionals and I realize I didn’t know squat!! Thankfully I had great leaders who helped me learn and grow. If you are that low time CFI entering the professional pilot world (121,135, 91k) I suggest you would set yourself up for success by learning everything you can from everyone you can. Even the worst captains have something to offer (even if it’s what to not do). If you are a captain, please read carefully! Teach, train, mentor!! Help those with little experience learn and grow. We do this by respectfully adjusting the deficiencies (aka lack of experience). Don’t write your FOs off as “dumb” or “idiots”. Use this opportunity to mentor and inform. Always back up your teaching with what’s in the manual or FAR or AIM or previous experience.
Yes we were all low time and knew very little! But taking on the mantle (wearing the stripes and bearing the responsibilities) is about attitude. If you adopt a willing to learn grow and go get it attitude that will pay dividends!
I wish every CFI, FO and CA the best of luck in their journey. Even now with several thousand hours and lots of experiences I am humbled by those who are more experienced than I am. Best advice I ever recieved is this: the day you stop learning is the day you should stop flying. In short it means always take a lesson from every flight you do. And I mean EVERY flight. Critique yourself, analyze mistakes, acknowledge wins.
ok I’m off my soapbox, carry on
Whether you are a CFI or an experienced 121 pilot (or other pro type rated pilot) really isn’t what counts imho. It’s attitude. Having been lucky enough to escape the regionals (spent 8 years) I can honestly say attitude is what counts. The CFI who is low experienced (only instructing on patten work but has a great attitude and eager to learn have always been my favorite FOs. The experienced guy who “knows everything” is often a pain to fly with. The guys and gals who are willing to learn but are also a contributor on the flight deck are great.
I look back at what I knew when I entered the regionals and I realize I didn’t know squat!! Thankfully I had great leaders who helped me learn and grow. If you are that low time CFI entering the professional pilot world (121,135, 91k) I suggest you would set yourself up for success by learning everything you can from everyone you can. Even the worst captains have something to offer (even if it’s what to not do). If you are a captain, please read carefully! Teach, train, mentor!! Help those with little experience learn and grow. We do this by respectfully adjusting the deficiencies (aka lack of experience). Don’t write your FOs off as “dumb” or “idiots”. Use this opportunity to mentor and inform. Always back up your teaching with what’s in the manual or FAR or AIM or previous experience.
Yes we were all low time and knew very little! But taking on the mantle (wearing the stripes and bearing the responsibilities) is about attitude. If you adopt a willing to learn grow and go get it attitude that will pay dividends!
I wish every CFI, FO and CA the best of luck in their journey. Even now with several thousand hours and lots of experiences I am humbled by those who are more experienced than I am. Best advice I ever recieved is this: the day you stop learning is the day you should stop flying. In short it means always take a lesson from every flight you do. And I mean EVERY flight. Critique yourself, analyze mistakes, acknowledge wins.
ok I’m off my soapbox, carry on
02-25-2021, 07:22 AM
#1708
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,231
Originally Posted by CantTaxiToACS
Why? It’s the same exact training footprint no? If they make them all get CTP own their own at least. Seriously don’t understand the CFI hate. And the cadets who demonstrated interest in the company for years are supposed to get bumped by someone who just needs a job now? They all worked hard too. Were the CFIs supposed to know a once in a decade crash was coming and buy their ATP when they were being handed out? I seriously don’t understand the hate on people who didn’t have the benefit to be as far along as others when it all hit the fan. Get over yourselves, you’re not a god with a 145 type.
02-25-2021, 08:47 AM
#1709
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Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 170
Originally Posted by trip
You sound like a jerk and your attitude is pretty much the reason for the CFI eye rolling. I hope you decide to skip the RJ land and go straight to the heavies with that ego.
02-25-2021, 09:10 AM
#1710
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Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 231
To me it comes down to mutual respect.
I know there's way more experienced and qualified pilots than me but I think we should all respect each other, regardless if you are a CFI, major captain, 135 etc.
There's no need to throw shade at others just because they have less experience. We all started somewhere and someone gave us a chance to fly their airplane.
Most on APC have been very constructive and respectful.
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I know there's way more experienced and qualified pilots than me but I think we should all respect each other, regardless if you are a CFI, major captain, 135 etc.
There's no need to throw shade at others just because they have less experience. We all started somewhere and someone gave us a chance to fly their airplane.
Most on APC have been very constructive and respectful.
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